Posted on Apr 2, 2016
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A soldier starts the push-up event. After 3 reps (performed to standard), the soldier goes to knees, complaining of a cramp. The soldier claims that with less then 10 reps, a restart is authorized. The grader states that the rule only applies when the grader sees improper form and tells the soldier to go to knees and explain the deficiency. Who is correct?
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CPT Assistant Operations Officer (S3)
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The soldier is wrong for going to his knees. He failed his first attempt. I would let him have another attempt. If he is weak he is weak If he is in fact weak he will fail no matter what he tries. He could have had a cramp due to one of many reasons. Fit people get cramps. He is only delaying the inevitable. He will get another attempt if it were up to me. That way he has no chance to challenge it. I doubt a move like this would enable him to pass if he was not prepared.
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MAJ Carl Ballinger - I agree with you. The purpose of the test to measure their fitness and endurance. To me you are really getting a true measure of that if you are doing a one mile warm up and then doing two miles for time. I would have done the same thing.
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CSM David Hopkins
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I love how a person on here asks a question and the responses given do not simply address the question posed. Sounds like a politician NOT answering a difficult question. Now at the same time I think it is great that we think outside the box and have these discussions. So, the bottom line on the question posed is that a restart is officially not authorized. The instructions clearly state you are not allowed to go to your knees, if you do your performance is terminated. That is the easy part, but I do agree with what everyone has said, are we in the business of seeing how many Soldiers we can fail, or not giving them the benefit of the doubt? I don't believe that is the case and if I was grading the test I would allow the Soldier to go to the end of the line and attempt it again.
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I agree CSM David Hopkins. I should point out that this was made up to elicit this kind of discussion. With APFT season upon us, I thought it was timely
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The regulation also states that if you fail to perform the first ten correctly stop the testee and explain what they are doing wrong. Clearly the command team has discretion to flag or not. If the Soldier refused to continue a few minutes later I'd flag for sure.
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Why is this an issue? If he wants a restart, give him a restart. Are we in the business if "trying" to fail people? If he gets a restart and passes, great! If he gets a restart and fails, it wasn't because you or the reg got in his way.
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LTC Kevin B.
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I agree. This is looking for a reason to fail someone. I would send him/her to the back of the line and allow a restart.
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