Posted on May 9, 2016
Can a commander authorize a PRT standard to the unit?
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I was informed today that the new standard for our unit was 250 or above and if you failed to achieve that standard, you have to take an APFT every month until you meet the standard. I was just trying to see if this is actually lawful. I have some concerned soldiers and they are meeting the ARMY standard but have not yet met the company standard.
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I do believe a commander can have folks under his command do APFTs as often as he/she desires, as long as these aren't "for record" APFTs, as "for record" APFTs can only be given every four months, per AR 350-1.
Now, the wisdom of such a program....that's another question.
Now, the wisdom of such a program....that's another question.
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*Note - kept this post, but MAJ Jager and SFC Long are bringing up some good points that's making me consult legal.
Gentlemen,
None of these pieces of advice are actually 100% correct (edit - this is my opinion, added after the fact). AR 350-1 specifically states that a commander can administer an APFT as often as he/she wishes, provided that he/she notifies the SM beforehand that the results are for record.
"Commanders may administer the APFT as often as they wish; however, they must specify beforehand when the results are for record."
*wrong quote on the four months portion
*Note - kept this post, but MAJ Jager and SFC Long are bringing up some good points that's making me consult legal.
Gentlemen,
None of these pieces of advice are actually 100% correct (edit - this is my opinion, added after the fact). AR 350-1 specifically states that a commander can administer an APFT as often as he/she wishes, provided that he/she notifies the SM beforehand that the results are for record.
"Commanders may administer the APFT as often as they wish; however, they must specify beforehand when the results are for record."
*wrong quote on the four months portion
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Proponent of AR 350-1 is looking into it, but they admit they need to fix the wording of the regulation when you're talking about the examples I listed. They are getting back to me. Also they are saying there might be an issue with units forcing people to take record APFTs as entrance requirements before you even attend the school...BUT, they have to get more clarification and might try to fix it. I'm waiting to hear back more
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CW2 (Join to see) - Yes, thank you for putting the time into this. I am a National Guardsman who works for the FAA in Airspace Operations and Procedures. We generate policies, procedures, and letters of agreement that have to be clear and direct. When I read the 350-1, I took that view of the reading. I did not take into account what units "always do" or the affects of the wording elsewhere, but what was presented there.
I should have remembered that the army often falls short of the concise mark in regulations. But I am glad to have this being looked into.
I should have remembered that the army often falls short of the concise mark in regulations. But I am glad to have this being looked into.
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Ar350-1.
Long and short says yes, however, they cannot be for record. A record apft should have a minimum of 4 months in between. With a few exceptions.
Commander can give a diagnostic apft as much as he wants.
Long and short says yes, however, they cannot be for record. A record apft should have a minimum of 4 months in between. With a few exceptions.
Commander can give a diagnostic apft as much as he wants.
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I agree and the only exception to the 4 month rule, I know of is if the Soldier requires make-up testing or re-testing due to an APFT BOLO.
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Although I think they can have higher standards for the air unit, however, soldiers cannot be penalized for not making those standards. I recommend reading into the Reg I do not have it handy at this time.
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SFC (Join to see) - Their not the air. Was using voice to text while walking my dog.
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Sounds like this unit is trying to get an APFT streamer for their guidon. As long as soldiers aren't being flagged for not meeting the UNIT standard there is no issue here.
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