Posted on May 11, 2016
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SGM Erik Marquez
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Counseling happens every day, if the leadership is doing it right. I view a 4856 as the follow up to the verbal counseling,it's a check and balance that what was intended to be said was, and what was received, was.

No different then then following up a phone call or face to face discussion with an email that summarises the points made, actions agreed upon. It gives both parties in the communication a chance to review what they said, or what they heard and seek clarification if needed.
The preformatted 4856 counseling session is only useful for a specific counseling need, basically a written statement of standards met or not, actions required or failed to be done.
Or perhaps a positive / negitive performanced based single event counseling , as a "log" for use later in writing a award, evaluation, or other action.
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MAJ L. Nicholas Smith
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I think this depends on the culture of the organization and the personal habits or the one using the forms. I used them more as developmental tools vs. building a record. The 4856 is a valuable tool for performance and event oriented counseling to establish goals, review progress, and maintain a record of results. By keeping these records, the NCOER/OER and/or award will pretty much write itself. I did use it to cover myself when I suspected or knew I had someone who would...make my life interesting but often this was more event oriented.
I began my service in a real paperless Army meaning sometimes people took a walk to the tree line ( area J at Ft. Bragg) or the squad pressured proper behavior/performance in young troopers. These examples may sounds rough to some, but what it did do was address issues and problems without damaging their career. Don't get me wrong, there is a time and place for documentation. Like anything else, it can be taken too far where it promotes a zero tolerance environment for honest mistakes.
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SFC Gary Edwards
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I once had a soldier who had some financial problems. Over the course of our time at Fort Riley, I was determined to help him with his debt problems. The 1st. Counseling involved him acknowledging he had a debt problem and wanted help. I had him enroll in the debt management program that ACS/AER had at the time. Subsequent counseling sessions documented his attendance and progress. This young soldier eventually was able to break the cycle of payday loans and become self sufficient. These counselings were never used as a punishment tool or in any other negative fashion. I used them to document our discussions, expectations, his feelings, his progress and attendance to his classes which I made mandatory based on his desire to get help. Later the soldier got into some unrelated trouble and the CSM wanted to see any & every counseling the soldier ever received. He believed that if soldiers were properly guided through counseling they'd have less trouble. The CSM was less inclined to dispense discipline on a soldier who wasn't counseled but instead reprimand that soldiers leader. Nevertheless, this young sergeants counselings were all there. The positive along with the neutral and negative. So the CSM calls me and says he wants to talk to me. I visit the CSM at his office and he has nothing but praise for me. In all his years the only thing nearly all NCO's used it for were negative counselings. That was a little over 25 years ago and I wonder today if Sgt. K stayed out of financial trouble.
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SFC Gary Edwards
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Reading some of the comments and it seems these young soldiers have it together.
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