Posted on May 21, 2016
Does more 'Time in Service' make you accountable for others in your rank?
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I have not been able to locate any regulation for this. I'm hoping I can be pointed in the right direction for an answer. I was told that a soldier who has more time in service than another of the same rank has a level of authority which enables him/her to issue commands, corrective action, etc. Is this true? A practical example would be the soldier with more time telling the other(s) of same rank and lesser TIS to stand at parade rest when they are addressing them or demanding similar courtesies to that of an NCO.
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AR 600-20, Army Command Policy, 2–19. Precedence of relative grade, enlisted Soldiers
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Thank you for the citation. However it begs the question what "precedence" means in this context: first of importance among others? first be be given s leadership position among others? Or first to 'assume' leadership among others with low TIG? Or is this for the command to decide how it works?
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Let's say I'm a PSG. I have two SPC and a vacant TM LDR Position.
IAW AR 600-20, I must select the SPC with the earlier DOR as he/she is Senior he/she gets appointed to the TM LDR Position.
If both have the same DOR, then I look who has more "active Federal Service in the Army"
Q: Was one prior service USMC, USN or USAF? Deduct that time Active Federal Service time. Whoever has more time is the Senior and gets appointed to the TM LDR Position.
If both are the same amount of "active Federal Service in the Army", then take into consideration any active prior Federal Service. Whoever has more time is the Senior and gets appointed to the TM LDR Position.
If EVERYTHING is the same ... then who is older is the default. I would argue that this would imply, in the CRAZY UNLIKELY event these two share the same birth date, it would come down to who older based on time of birth ... Like twins.
Whoever performs the maternal extrication first via Cesarean section or sliding out of the birth canal is the Senior and gets appointed to the TM LDR Position.
If everything is the same down to the second of birth, contact Ripley's Believe or Not! and the odds makers in Vegas IMMEDIATELY.
RE: "first to 'assume' leadership among others with low TIG?" If the Sr SPC ain't gonna step up then take the initiative and step up. It may not be the right answer but someone needs to take charge. You could go up and ask ... Your Senior, what do you need me to do?
IAW AR 600-20, I must select the SPC with the earlier DOR as he/she is Senior he/she gets appointed to the TM LDR Position.
If both have the same DOR, then I look who has more "active Federal Service in the Army"
Q: Was one prior service USMC, USN or USAF? Deduct that time Active Federal Service time. Whoever has more time is the Senior and gets appointed to the TM LDR Position.
If both are the same amount of "active Federal Service in the Army", then take into consideration any active prior Federal Service. Whoever has more time is the Senior and gets appointed to the TM LDR Position.
If EVERYTHING is the same ... then who is older is the default. I would argue that this would imply, in the CRAZY UNLIKELY event these two share the same birth date, it would come down to who older based on time of birth ... Like twins.
Whoever performs the maternal extrication first via Cesarean section or sliding out of the birth canal is the Senior and gets appointed to the TM LDR Position.
If everything is the same down to the second of birth, contact Ripley's Believe or Not! and the odds makers in Vegas IMMEDIATELY.
RE: "first to 'assume' leadership among others with low TIG?" If the Sr SPC ain't gonna step up then take the initiative and step up. It may not be the right answer but someone needs to take charge. You could go up and ask ... Your Senior, what do you need me to do?
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Time in service is irrelevant. Only time in grade. Thank you MSG Davis for dropping the paragraph and line. It should also be remembered to NOT confuse rank with authority, some one has to not only out rank you but also be in authority over to administer any form of disciplinary action, and any non-formal they need to take care of custom am courtesy.
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First of all, no where does it say that SPC stands at Parade Rest to a SPC. That is reserved for Soldiers addressing a higher ranking NCO. Second, as stated AR 600-20 determines precedence of rank. What that means is if there are two SPCs and someone needs to be in charge, it will forst go to the Soldier with more Time in Grade, then if both are still equal, whoever has more Time In Service. It doesn't mean you can go around asking other SPCs how much TIS they have and whoever has less than you has to pick up trash.
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