Posted on Jun 20, 2014
UCMJ as it applies to Servicemember/GS Civilian Interaction. Do you know?
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If this topic has been covered before I apologize:
I want to generate a bit of dialog pertaining to the relationship between Civilian GS employees and the Servicemember.
I don't particularly plan on doing these situational questions, but in my initial Google searches I could not find anything related. So
1- can a soldier receive UCMJ for disrespect towards a GS employee?
2 - by regulation is a Servicemember required to render any specific courtesies, gestures ( ie parade rest, attention)
3 - What is the extent of authority a GS employee has?
These are just some examples. I want to encourage dialog and situational discussions related to this. I want to look beyond the simple be professional and follow the golden rule concepts. Thank you all in advance for your constructive contributions to this topic.
I want to generate a bit of dialog pertaining to the relationship between Civilian GS employees and the Servicemember.
I don't particularly plan on doing these situational questions, but in my initial Google searches I could not find anything related. So
1- can a soldier receive UCMJ for disrespect towards a GS employee?
2 - by regulation is a Servicemember required to render any specific courtesies, gestures ( ie parade rest, attention)
3 - What is the extent of authority a GS employee has?
These are just some examples. I want to encourage dialog and situational discussions related to this. I want to look beyond the simple be professional and follow the golden rule concepts. Thank you all in advance for your constructive contributions to this topic.
UCMJ
GS Civilians
Professionalism
Soldiers
Posted 10 y ago
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This came up only a few times when I was assigned to Ft. Meade....years ago...back in the day it was called....I think .. the "purple movement"...basically what's called Joint Commands.
A sailor I worked with decided to catch a rash when dealing with an individual who just happened to be SES grade. I think it was the second time this sailor "caught the rash" and the SES simply made a call. Shortly there after the sailor ended up a stripe short and his pockets a lot emptier.
So...based on that experience:
1. Absolutely, you can receive UCMJ punishment for disrespect - especially if they are in your professional chain.
2. While I can't find the exact wording that a servicemember is required to render courtesies - I KNOW that as a professional you would want that civilian to recognize your rank, position and authority. A simple courtesy goes a long way.
3. The authority of a civilian is dependent on what the situation is. I deal with military before, during and after disasters frequently. We task the NG/Reserves and active duty often. While we (civilian authority) do not interfere with military matters, we do direct the mission, mission location(s) and mission parameters to the extent of the law.
A sailor I worked with decided to catch a rash when dealing with an individual who just happened to be SES grade. I think it was the second time this sailor "caught the rash" and the SES simply made a call. Shortly there after the sailor ended up a stripe short and his pockets a lot emptier.
So...based on that experience:
1. Absolutely, you can receive UCMJ punishment for disrespect - especially if they are in your professional chain.
2. While I can't find the exact wording that a servicemember is required to render courtesies - I KNOW that as a professional you would want that civilian to recognize your rank, position and authority. A simple courtesy goes a long way.
3. The authority of a civilian is dependent on what the situation is. I deal with military before, during and after disasters frequently. We task the NG/Reserves and active duty often. While we (civilian authority) do not interfere with military matters, we do direct the mission, mission location(s) and mission parameters to the extent of the law.
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LTC Paul Labrador
Kinda...
#1 - Yes, but it is very situation specific.
#2 - generally no, but SES civilians (flag grade equivalent) are typically afforded the same courtesies as a flag grade officer.
#3 - Depends on the environment. A GS will not have command authority, but can have supervisory authority (ie rater or senior rater).
#1 - Yes, but it is very situation specific.
#2 - generally no, but SES civilians (flag grade equivalent) are typically afforded the same courtesies as a flag grade officer.
#3 - Depends on the environment. A GS will not have command authority, but can have supervisory authority (ie rater or senior rater).
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SSG (Join to see)
Sir, I understand the level of respect. I greatly value the amount of experience and wisdom that an individual at that level might have. I also hold dear to being a professional. You say same level of respect, is that in writing somewhere? Looking for an AR or formal statement that doctrinally discusses/ addresses the GS rank structure and the relationship to the Servicemember.
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CW3 Kevin Storm
That GS could end up being your rater, and it is legal. Keep in mind the Sec Def is a Civilian GS employee, would you not follow his instructions?
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