Posted on Jun 26, 2014
Will opening Combat Arms jobs to females cause more issues in terms of SHARP and EO programs?
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http://www.army.mil/article/128545/Army_announces_33_000_positions_now_available_to_women/
I saw the list of MOS's and having served in an FA unit I see allot of probelms for both sides of the gender arena. Females may face gender bias as well as males. I hope this program that has been approved is successful i dont want to see females in these jobs placed in staff positions because the job became to difficult or boringsome. Discuss and enlighten me with pros and cons of this issue that will surely rock the MOS world. I believe it is a mistake to begin a program according to this article with superior and Leader level females then allow subordinate junior female Soldiers to begin entry into these CMF's. If you want it to be equal it should remain unbiased. But is that even possible in these male-dominated occupations? Can we serve with an open mind? Obviously the powers that be doesn't think so because their embedding superiors in it before the Soldiers....Obviously they have planned for backlash and potentially toxic leadership evolvement as these ranks are filled. The article is more discouraging than encouraging to me.
I saw the list of MOS's and having served in an FA unit I see allot of probelms for both sides of the gender arena. Females may face gender bias as well as males. I hope this program that has been approved is successful i dont want to see females in these jobs placed in staff positions because the job became to difficult or boringsome. Discuss and enlighten me with pros and cons of this issue that will surely rock the MOS world. I believe it is a mistake to begin a program according to this article with superior and Leader level females then allow subordinate junior female Soldiers to begin entry into these CMF's. If you want it to be equal it should remain unbiased. But is that even possible in these male-dominated occupations? Can we serve with an open mind? Obviously the powers that be doesn't think so because their embedding superiors in it before the Soldiers....Obviously they have planned for backlash and potentially toxic leadership evolvement as these ranks are filled. The article is more discouraging than encouraging to me.
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What I am concerned about is what are you going to do when you have a Sharp complaint against a female. Are they going to treat it the same way as they would as if they are gender natural. I recall while I was a manager in my civilian capacity I have a female that harassed me. No one really takes it serious and it is just dismissed. It is going to be odd at first but I think we will get past it. It is going to be a rough transition. I am just weary of the majority level of both sexes when they are placed in a challenging situation. Like a squad out in the field with one female and 8 guys. It is a scenario that we are not used to in the infantry.
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No I believe all situations have two sides to any story and will always be 80% truth and 20% embellshment. The reponsibility of the Command or Leaders is to appropriately and unbiasedly assess the situation and take action. As a military we should enforce the standards and if these issues do arise in opposition of a female harrassing a male then a unrestricted or restricted report needs to be followed up with investigatons and analysis. I have moved from a combat arms unit to a combat service support unit and females have neither contributed nor caused me to discriminate in my capacity as a Leader. I think the problem I have is with the support network statement in the article and making it seem as if these Soldiers play a role in the unit and without a Leadership embedded prior. I feel I am a good Leader and flexible enough to Lead male Soldiers then I should be professional enough to Lead the female Soldiers.
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of course there will be a rise in issues, but that just means the problem are being addressed.
for instance, in countries where racism is legal, it is not viewed as a problem.
not to make less of the issues that will arise, but we have to put people in the situation and address the problems before/as/after they arise so we can move beyond these self imposed limits and continue to lead the world in at least some way.
feel free to disagree, this is just my thoughts.
for instance, in countries where racism is legal, it is not viewed as a problem.
not to make less of the issues that will arise, but we have to put people in the situation and address the problems before/as/after they arise so we can move beyond these self imposed limits and continue to lead the world in at least some way.
feel free to disagree, this is just my thoughts.
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Although your interpretation seams sensible. View it from outside in. We spent insurmountable amount of resources fiscally and personally to enhance and develop a Sharp and EO program. Ensuring immersion training on a monthly basis. We spent millions on ad campaigns and initiatives to diminish serious events portraying the military as undisciplined from all areas of emphasis from rape, assault, and inappropriate behavior physical or non-physical. So tell me what you think when you see a program that is overtrained and then with this you see a "support network" will be embedded prior to the service of Soldiers who are have the right to serve in these MOS's? Why would a persons career be held up because waiting on superior Leaders for this so called support network. That statement says we are undisciplined and unwilling to be professional enough to handle this change right now.
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Females are in the line units and not only in staff positions. I'm a PL in an FA BTRY and we have 3 female junior enlisted Soldiers in our battery. Do any of you know of any other programs besides SHARP or EO that exist to ensure a smooth transition in integrating the females into combat arms?
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Of course it will; how could it not? Throwing a handful of women into what has been solely a male dominated arena culturally? With all the SHARP/EO issues we have now in Combat Support, and Service Support units statistically, how could those numbers get anything, other than worse?!
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While I agree that they will get worse, it's not the fault of the women merely for their presence.
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