Posted on Aug 16, 2016
COL Lee Flemming
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http://thinkbynumbers.org/terrorism/suicide-terrorism-statistics/

In a post earlier today SrA Edward Vong sagely highlighted that nation building along with military action may be desired. The question that I raise above contends that our presence may be the catalyst to terrorist action. The article bears some of that out in a fact based by the numbers way.
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Sir, I am sure a lot of people have been discussing this issue because it has been the national security biggest challenge the USA had to deal with in the past 20 years.
While it could sound appeasing to fight terror organizations in their nests, results will always be mixed. In today's hybrids conflicts (you can destroy enemy military assets with a missile but a drone will only have a very low impact on their ideology, if not the opposite effect - Elie Tenenbaum) it's hard to implement a strategy effective to solve every problems. However, let us not fall in statistics out of their contexts (missions from 1993 to 2005 had been very different, same as our enemies) and assume that correlation proves causation.
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COL Lee Flemming
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Well said 1LT (Join to see)! Thanks so much for your thoughts on this topic. Your statements about mixed results, and kinetic operations lack of impact on ideology are ring very true!!
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Well, sadly today's conflicts have become more and more complex and only a few can claim to have all the elements in their possession to make their decisions. However, it would be foolish to disregard ideology as their principle motivation and this could possibly be the only ground we have yet decided to fight them on. But well, who cares? Last time I checked it wasn't philosophy books that kept the war industry going...
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We can note there's several factors at work here. The Taliban isn't conducting as many suicide attacks in Afghanistan pre-2001 since they own the country. In Iraq, Saddam had managed to quell Sunni Wahhabism through a brutal dictatorship. Once those repressive governments fell, that opened the flood gates for religious radicals seeking jihad since a fight was now on their back door.

The proximity of the desired target population for terrorism (Westerners) fueled the rise in attacks. We'd also note an increase in terror attacks following the US withdrawal from Iraq despite troop levels in the area dropping dramatically. It's the same concept as picking target priority. Pape's argument is that terrorists only fight countries that are engaged in geopolitical disputes. However, in 2007 bin Laden demanded that the US convert to Islam or he would wage jihad against us. Daesh stated in their Dabiq magazine that they would conquer the world for Islam and raise their flag over the Vatican. This is where Pape's argument falls flat. He's discounting the long-term goals of jihadists for their responses to immediate enemies who they need to defeat first to establish legitimacy and ensure the survival and spread of their ideological views. Expending resources to kill Venezuelan Catholics is great, but they got bigger fish to fry first.

Terrorism has increased because terrorism is theater, and globalization has given these radicals an audience, where even 100 years ago, hardly anyone would have heard about these conflicts. What's more, 100 years ago our society could stomach doing what was necessary to get rid of an ideological enemy. This solution is war in its purest form, not the surgical tip-toeing we do today, but the destruction of the society which holds those views. We have tried to humanize a process which is inherently inhumane, but the sad fact remains that the only society that has ever pacified this religious group was the Mongols, and they stacked heads in pyramids. Consider that in 1938 only 7% of Germany was Nazi Party members. Today, according to the Gallop Center for Muslim studies, 36.6% of Muslims in the Middle East feel that 9/11 was at least partially justified. The peaceful majority in both instances has been irrelevant. Even in the UK, 1 out of 3 Muslim males in university feel that death is an appropriate punishment for apostasy. What's more, we're allied with the Saudis and their own internal politics are so riddled with Wahhabists that even the royals are unable to address the growing radicalism without risking revolt. Keep in mind while our society is able to empathize with a suffering population that they see on TV, the opposite is largely not true for the people in the Middle East and this puts us at a distinct disadvantage.
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COL Lee Flemming
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Capt (Join to see) awesome! You dug deep on this one. Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts!!
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"Terrorism has increased because terrorism is theater, and globalization has given these radicals an audience, where even 100 years ago, hardly anyone would have heard about these conflicts."
Well said indeed! The target of destruction is merely a set piece to them: the target of action is the audience watching and reacting.
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Maj Kevin "Mac" McLaughlin
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I briefly looked over this and immediately noticed it appears to cherry pick the data by only showing the period between 1993 through 2005. To truly show a correlation of troop presence to terrorist activity against US citizens, I would like to see post 2005 and pre 1993 as well. Also, the article speaks initially to two so called "facts". One of which included "95% of suicide terrorist attacks are targeted at occupying foreign militaries." How does that explain the targeting of Christians in Iraq (or Iraqi citizens themselves)? What about the attacks in Pakistan by extremist element trying to influence the Pakistan government? I could come up with more examples but essentially I really don't think the premise of this article is accurate.
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COL Lee Flemming
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Maj Kevin "Mac" McLaughlin understand all. The question is mine and the article is a provocation which obviously has faults. Could US presence be causing an increase in terrorist activity? Maybe. In some cases we may very well chose to accept the risks of those attacks to support US policy.
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Maj Kevin "Mac" McLaughlin
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Well, I could also draw a correlation to our leaving our homes to go to work, school, run errands is leading to an uptick in muggings. We have national interests in the Middle East which requires us to take on the risks associated with being there. In the meantime, like any would be authoritarian organization, we are used as scapegoats to draw support for their effort. This is no different than Nazi Germany blaming the Jews for all their trouble. They unify the uneducated/uninformed on a common premise to build their power base. Without the US there, another scapegoat would be created and the region would not become any more stable.
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