Posted on Oct 29, 2013
What would you change about current NCOES schools?
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Being an ANCOC (now Senior Leader's Course) graduate myself (Feb 2003), I find myself looking back at what I learned. As an officer I look at some of things that are missing that I never considered important when I was wearing hard stripes.
One thing I would change in the current ALC/SLC course are:
1 - Classes on the NCO and Officer relationship
2 - The MDMP process for SSG and above (Future Battle Staff NCOs)
3 - Classes taught by officers (?) (Similar to NCOs teaching officers in OCS/OBC)
Any thoughts?
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I would ditch the online training portion and make it all classroom and field. On line is not a guage of a Soldiers ability, eyes on training is.
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CSM, even if they didn't nix the DL portion, they should nix the CAC requirement to log on for it. it is hard to get to my unit to log onto a computer. I have a CA reader on my keyboard, but cannot get it to work, even with all the websites out there. I believe that this hinders NCOES as well.
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Honestly, sir, I don't think we need more classroom instruction. Skills can be introduced at NCOES schools but for the most part, they are not. If you're getting the kind of experience that one needs to become an effective leader, 90% of what you "learn" at NCOES is a refresher of what you've already learned. What we need is for senior Soldiers (NCO and officer alike) to take younger Soldiers under their wing and teach them, mentor them, coach them until the junior Soldier can take the senior's place. As my 1SG told me, our job is to train our replacement. If we all do that, the Soldiers that want the opportunity to serve a higher levels will have it.
As for the current curriculum of NCOES, I think it needs to be more scenario based and it should require more problem solving and outside the box thinking. We will not get where we need to go by just memorizing what the book says to do.
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I agree SFC Tyler. I am not suggesting we do more "book work", but that take the time to learn things while we are attending NCOES/OES that we may not be exposed to in our units. Think back to a few of your PCSs and the things you learned at your new unit. How times have we been told "I don't care how you did it in your old unit". I just think that schools should be a chance for mentorship, collaboration, and being exposed to different perspectives. I do like your suggestion that we move to a scenario based problem solving. But we need Leaders in the Army to share real scenarios with the school house. I think CALL could help with this, but I have seen a great deal of reluctance from Leaders to provide input to this program. Your thought?
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What I would change is the relevance of the information being taught. I've completed BNCOC and ANCOC, learned a lot of good information but it was pretty useless. For my MOS we were required to complete 6 weeks of Cisco training, I'm glad I got the training but i've never used what was taught. I've taken Unix Administrator twice but never really used it. The rest of the course was mainly theory, theory is good but what good is it if you've never had the opportunity to practice what you've learned? Perfect case and point i've taken Server 2k3 about 3 times, an Active Directory course once all theory. When it came down to it I could answer your questions about the courses but couldn't put it into practice.
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SSG Felix Najera
I totally agree with you SFC Cummings. Taking portions of the Cisco Academy curriculum is great, and valuable information for any 25B, but the relevance of it in NCOES is questionable if the knowledge being obtained will not be utilized by the NCO's going through.
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