Posted on Jan 27, 2017
Is a ship or detailer required to notify prospective gains of a homeport change?
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I am PCSing to a ship home-ported in Hawaii soon. I recently bought a house and am moving into it shortly. I found out today from a wife that the ship is changing homeport to San Diego. This is a rumor and is not on my orders, CMSID, or any documentation. I contacted my Chain of Command on the ship I have orders to and was told that the ship is in fact changing homeports.
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Not sure how up to date this list is, but it isn't approved yet. Haven't heard any of this over at ATG.
http://www.public.navy.mil/bupers-npc/enlisted/detailing/seaspecial/Pages/DECOMHOMEPORT.aspx
http://www.public.navy.mil/bupers-npc/enlisted/detailing/seaspecial/Pages/DECOMHOMEPORT.aspx
The decommissioning and homeport change processes are new and unfamiliar for most Sailors in the Fleet. Below we’ve listed helpful information that will get your command well on its way in preparing to make a decommissioning or homeport change a successful transition both on the command level as well as the individual Sailor.
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Thank you, Chief. I haven't been able to find anything official yet. Like I said in the details, I work with a woman who's husband is onboard my gaining command. She informed me of the homeport change. I asked my sponsor onboard and was told that they are planning on executing a homeport change and when that would be. I need to drill a little deeper to see where this information is coming from.
Correct me if I am wrong, but that seems like a big deal. If a Sailor in San Diego has orders to the ship in Hawaii, sells their home in San Diego, moves their goods, purchases a home in Hawaii ($500,000+) and is told after the fact that the ship is going to change homeports to San Diego, that Sailor could potentially lose a lot of money or find themselves in a very difficult financial situation.
For my family, we just bought a house in Hawaii. Thankfully, my wife could stay in Hawaii so we could afford to make the payments and sell later, but she definitely is not fond of the idea.
Correct me if I am wrong, but that seems like a big deal. If a Sailor in San Diego has orders to the ship in Hawaii, sells their home in San Diego, moves their goods, purchases a home in Hawaii ($500,000+) and is told after the fact that the ship is going to change homeports to San Diego, that Sailor could potentially lose a lot of money or find themselves in a very difficult financial situation.
For my family, we just bought a house in Hawaii. Thankfully, my wife could stay in Hawaii so we could afford to make the payments and sell later, but she definitely is not fond of the idea.
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Another thing to ask about is, if it's just a homeport change or a hull swap with another DDG (I would be surprised if they pulled a DDG out of Pearl without replacing it). If that's the case, a majority of the crew swap hulls and stay at their original homeport, with a handful of rates/NECs (Aegis FCs for example) staying with their original ship and moving homeports.
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They should give you an ORMOD depending on date of transfer and date of new Home port. You need to be talking to Detailer. I believe I told you to look into NECC, i.e. (EOD, Support Seabee Support, Coastal Rivierine and Navy Expeditionary Intel) but what do I know. You could have been doing some kind of ground Combat stuff, but again what do I know.
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The Detailer should be sending some kind of ORMOD, depending on dates. I had a billet go away on me one time, and was offered some other choices and ORMOD issued not the same thing.I would assume you would get some kind of ORMOD unless you will be attached when the ship changes station. I would say it sucks you bought a house, I hope you can get a good answer and things work out for you and your family.
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Thanks, Chief. I will be attached to the ship before the homeport change. Rumor has it, that it won't be until next year. However, as we all know, a year doesn't leave much time to build any equity.
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ENS (Join to see) - No it does not, really sucks sometimes it happens, in Military. I had a civilian Contact Job offered a couple years ago, the problem was I just bought my new house (that I had built for me) I had just bought it, and had 0 equity in it. I turned down a high paying job to stay in the house. I thought about taking it and renting,but that is just a lot of trouble. You could do that, and or maybe see if you can Geographic bachelor for year, while your wife try to work things out. You a squared away troop have know doubt you will work something out. One more time sorry just take what you get and do the best you can to move on....
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CPO (Join to see) Stop filling this young Sailor's mind with blasphemous ramblings about NECC and playing around in the dirt. Everyone knows Sailors belong on ships, and ships belong at sea. ;-)
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PO1, sorry to be a sour grape but you don't really have any grievance. The old axiom: "Needs of the Navy" trumps most all. Remember, this is the Military not a social club. I know this is harsh but it is the simple truth. Unfortunately you pretty much made this situation bad by being overly proactive - normally a good thing.
The advice several people have given you is the best advice, however I would add one thing: take the emotion out of your efforts. You should rationally explain to your future Chain of Command your situation and be prepared to have several solutions to the situation ready to offer them. I used to tell my Sailors: Don't come to me with problems; Come to me with solutions! At first blush that sounds harsh but again, if you take the emotion out of it, it is a development tool. As you progress in your leadership growth, you are going to have to be the one who solves problems and there is always more than one solution. Some call it thinking out of the box.
As others have said, start discussing swaps with other Sailors. Start working with your current Career Counselors to work with the Detailer about ORDMODs. Start talking with Real Estate agents to sell or otherwise cancel the purchase in Hawaii. There are legal protections available to you precisely for these kinds of cases. Go talk to the Legal Office on your base.
Again, I don't enjoy being so cold and seemingly uncaring but please remember that they are "ORDERS" not "INVITATIONS". You can solve this! Take out the emotions which cloud your thought processes, use your knowledge and experience effectively and take advantage of your CoC, Mentors & peers. Be the FIRST CLASS Petty Officer that I am sure you are.
The advice several people have given you is the best advice, however I would add one thing: take the emotion out of your efforts. You should rationally explain to your future Chain of Command your situation and be prepared to have several solutions to the situation ready to offer them. I used to tell my Sailors: Don't come to me with problems; Come to me with solutions! At first blush that sounds harsh but again, if you take the emotion out of it, it is a development tool. As you progress in your leadership growth, you are going to have to be the one who solves problems and there is always more than one solution. Some call it thinking out of the box.
As others have said, start discussing swaps with other Sailors. Start working with your current Career Counselors to work with the Detailer about ORDMODs. Start talking with Real Estate agents to sell or otherwise cancel the purchase in Hawaii. There are legal protections available to you precisely for these kinds of cases. Go talk to the Legal Office on your base.
Again, I don't enjoy being so cold and seemingly uncaring but please remember that they are "ORDERS" not "INVITATIONS". You can solve this! Take out the emotions which cloud your thought processes, use your knowledge and experience effectively and take advantage of your CoC, Mentors & peers. Be the FIRST CLASS Petty Officer that I am sure you are.
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