Posted on Dec 28, 2013
LCpl Mark Lefler
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My question is basicly asking the SNCOs and officers about NJPs. Since NJPs do not carry the need to present burden of proof, were they always about the issue with the person in question or could they be used as a personal grudge issue?
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CW2 Joseph Evans
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While there isn't a "requirement" for proof of misdeeds to administer NJP, if the NJP is challenged by the Soldier/Marine and it fails to stand up to a Commander's Inquiry, CID investigation or Court Martial, this could represent significant trouble for someone, especially if there turns out to be a history of unfounded "NJP".<br>Yes, I have seen NJP applied unevenly and used to pressure someone out. It is a leadership and integrity issue, people are human and some do not handle power well.<br>
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MGySgt LAV Crewman
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Just remember that under the provisions of the accused's rights under Article 15 of the UCMJ, the accused has the right to refuse Non-Judicial Punishment.  If the accused feels that the charge(s) against him/her are vindictive or have no merit, he/she can request a Courts Martial.   At that point the Convening Authority can appoint an Officer to convene the Courts Martial then present his/her recommendations for punishment.  The punishment levels for Courts Martial climb steeply from Non-Judicial Punishment; however, a Jury can be requested (Special/General) which allows the accused to be judged by his/her peers.  The thing to remember, though, is that if you always do the right thing, you can never go wrong.   If you choose to live the military life, it always pays to play by the rules.    
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LCpl Mark Lefler
LCpl Mark Lefler
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Master Gunns I'd like to believe "if you always do right, you can never go wrong." I can't sadly believe in this because even if a person does right, someone in power who doesn't like that person can make bad things happen regardless.
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MGySgt LAV Crewman
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I cannot tell you how many times in my short 25 years in the "Green Gun Club" that I heard Marines accuse their leadership of abusing power.   Most times it was the person in the mirror who had to come to grips with the fact that he/she did not adhere to the simple rules that govern the Armed Forces of the United States.  I can tell you with GREAT CONVICTION and will repeat my words again; "If you always do the right thing, you can NEVER go wrong".  I had many (often heated) run-ins with my leadership(and yes, when I was a LCpl too); however, I maintained a an "air tight" career that was highlighed by MOS knowledge, strong credibilty (with seniors, peers, and subordinates) and above all a level of integrity that was above reproach.   You must do the same, AT ALL TIMES.  I do not know your story, but if you decided to "color outside of the lines", then you must man-up and accept the consequence.  If you did not stray and have a VALID grevience, then you should seek Legal Counsel (provided for free) at your Base SJA and stand up for what you believe is right.   Again, if you cannot look in the mirror and know that whatever you are experiencing is not any fault of your own, then do the right thing, and move on from there; it will make whatever you have left in your career much more enjoyable. 
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CDR Clint Grimes
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From what I have seen, CAPT's Mast/Office Hours is for maintaining good order and discipline without going to the level of a court martial.&nbsp; It's definitely for a sailor or marine worth keeping, not for one you are looking to get rid of.&nbsp; The chances of the CO having&nbsp; a personal grudge against someone he takes to NJP should be pretty small.&nbsp; There should be layers of th chain of command between that person and the CO.&nbsp; I don't know about the Marine Corps but in the Navy a sailor would have to go through the Chief's mess and XOI (XO's Instruction) before he even got to NJP, so I doubt the skipper would know the sailor well enough to hold a grudge.
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LCpl Mark Lefler
LCpl Mark Lefler
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NJP doesn't have to be done by someone as high as a CO, a section officer(the officer in charge of personal or supply or the company for instance) can NJP someone without going through those layers you mentioned.
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CDR Clint Grimes
CDR Clint Grimes
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It seems its done at a higher rank in the Navy than it is in the USMC.  I can see how that the vindictiveness could happen with someone who is not mature.
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Maj Jarrod Graham
Maj Jarrod Graham
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The first level where the USMC has NJP authority is the company or battery level.  The max punishment you can get from this level is 14 days restriction and extra duty, and 1/2 pay for two weeks. I do not know any commanders who initiated an NJP, it is usually brought up through the chain where there usually are several levels of vetting before it gets to the first commander.  NJP is a way to save somebody while still maintaining good order and discipline rather than pushing somebody out, Like CDR Grimes said.
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