Posted on Dec 29, 2013
SFC Randy Purham
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Promotion System. E5 and below promotions is fine the way it is. Promotion to E6,
the only change I would make is; make it a Brigade Level Board and Platoon
Sergeants are the Sponsors.  Currently at
the BN and below level, there’s too much familiarity with the person, especially
if they are “board-babies”, they would be required to not only answer
questions, but in scenario driven questions based on the board topics (similar
to Audie Murphy boards).  Then they would
provide their records file like for the E7 boards for review. This way they can
be head-on questioned about anything questionable in their files. E7 boards I
think should be done the same way, but at Installation level.  Sure, the process may take a long time, but
the fix, give notice and break it down by alphabetical order or numbers
according to days to convene. This would force a “self-weed out” process,
whereas those know they may not be worthy of promotion at that time won’t
compete or even show-up. Screenings are done at the same time to reduce the
force (QSP/QMP). Those at outlier stations/deployed can stay under the current
system and have questionnaires or VTCs set-up to accommodate the questioning
process. 1SGs would be the Sponsors to these aspiring individuals seeking to
make E7.  E8 and above, I would leave it
as it is. What are your thoughts on the promotion system?
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CSM Michael J. Uhlig
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SFC Keith, timely post and you have some great points.


As far as the boards not selecting the right qualified people, it is my experience that a person with some bias makes this statement - personally I expected to see a sequence number by a few other NCOs on the list, bias exists in all of us however, I do believe we have a fair system and the right people are selected (only a few were privileged to be part of this board and saw all the records.) 


As far as excellence bullets, you can't go wrong with using a bullet that is measurable against a standard (e.g. a justified excellence bullet: all 9 Soldiers in his squad scored a 300 on record APFT).  Every senior enlisted leader has their own idea of the difference between a success and an excellence however, it is not that leader that will decide whether the NCO meets the cut for promotion, so my advice is to make it measurable against a standard and be as quantifiable as possible.


I often see Leadership bullets drifting into competence and training, I expect we will all see more of this in the future with the mandated SHARP bullets in the Leadership area soon.  It's very important that we keep on top of all these changes - and understand we will have a new NCOER within the next 18 months, it's coming - trust me.


Civilian education continues to be very important and is a discriminator showing who continues to self-improve.  Basically, it shows who is being stagnant and who continues to improve.  With some of our more technically skilled MOSs, there are technical certifications that can (and will) set our NCOs apart from one another.  And finally, a huge discriminator to set yourself apart (and more competitive) than your peers is to take the challenge to attend and become a member of those clubs like the Sergeant Audie Murphy Club or Sergeant Morales Club.  Special duty assignments (especially Drill Sergeant, recruiter and AIT Platoon Sergeant) helps as well.


I encourage you to get as many eyes on the report as possible, get it in front of the CSM before the rated NCO signs the report - constructive criticism is only valuable if you use it to make yourself and those around you better.

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Great advice CSM Uhlig, thanks!
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Hooah, anytime
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SFC Lamont Womack
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I think the promotion point system is terrible. I do not believe a Soldier should get extra promotion points for deployments or airborne unless they volunteered for it.  The majority of Soldiers have no say in where they PCS. Just because one Soldier got orders to Bragg and now is airborne and deployed doesn't mean he or she is more high speed than a Soldier who got orders to Korea and didn't deploy. I would definitely get rid of those two areas for promotion points.
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I'm in partial agreement. Airborne does require some additional skill and I feel that should be rewarded. If it weren't for this doggone back, I'd volunteer in a heartbeat. Even if it were "involuntaty", it is still an accomplishment.
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SGT Blair if you still live in Calif. you can join the California State Military Reserves that augment the Guard
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Airborne is absolutely voluntary. Nobody forces you out of an airplane, and given an Airborne assignment, you must voluntarily accept it.
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MSG Jose Colon
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That has always being a touchy subject for me.

 

I have seeing an NCO get all excellences in his NCOER and he couldn't get to work on time once in over a year.

 

There is nobody that good.

 

That being said, the NCOER, according to my humble opinion, is the reflection of the rater. It is their opinion, and as such, right or wrong should be respected.

 

It is the job of the Senior Rater to point out whether they agree or not and why.

 

What irks me is when you are told to write your own NCOER. Got it, some raters cannot write. But, with the exception of fixing obvious grammatical and orthographic mistakes, you cannot tell me what my opinion of my NCO's should be. You can show me possible evidence, but, unless the evidence is overwhelming, my NCOER's stand.

 

Regarding the board, after 27 years active, I have no clue what they are looking for, and it changes from board to board. It is hard to hit a moving target.

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MSG Colon, you hit the nail on the head....some raters
cannot write and this tends to lead to good NCOs better subpar evals. Then you
have mediocre NCOs who have a rater who can write get an outstanding eval. I
have a buddy who didn't make the list that came out today and I was pretty
shocked. I would have betted money that he was going to get selected for SFC. He has
five deployments, was an instructor twice, been to several duty stations doing high
speed stuff and didn't get selected. Thanks for
your response.



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