Posted on Sep 5, 2017
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The Soldier has not participated in a RAPFT since PT3. Their medical issues began postpartum. The Soldier has been placed on orders to a new duty location. Their curtailment has been denied and they probably can't pass a RAPFT currently. The Doc wants to fix the chronic issues, what are their options. This was a super trooper before this began.
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1stSgt Eugene Harless
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Not a great situation. The service member's health is foremost. That being said if its a condition that can't be addressed in a timely manner then a medical discharge is whats in the best interest for both the military and the service member. I feel that the separation should address any service related conditions and medical treatment and VA Compensation should be part of the plan.
The Military's job is to fight and win wars. Is a Service member can't be transferred or perform tasks required of them they need to move on.
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SGT Jason Keefer
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I had a commander who once told us all in formation "The Army is not welfare". He chaptered out more people than I've ever seen leave the army in the 6 months I served under him. It was people who needed to be gone, but it was pretty hectic.
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SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth
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An interesting medical issue, if the issue isn't life threating, and curable, by all means let the Doc take care of the issue and hopefully this individual can return to full duty and get the(P) back.
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CPT Mark Gonzalez
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SSG(P) (Join to see) bear with me on my long email. The matter is complicated. Nine months is a long time for the doctor to try and get it under control and for the Solider to make a full recovery. If she has a temporary profile that will not stop a pcs. If she has a permanent profile, p3 or higher, a unit cannot delay or deny a med board. Unless the regulations have changed, the intake decision is made by a medical officer and it is not the unit, a commander could only wish for having that ability. It is rare, less than 5%, the permanent profile is rejected, but usually that is because the profiling officer needs to provide more information to the intake officer. What can also occur is that they downgrade the p3 to a p2, following a board, and the Soldier can now take an APFT. Based on the block checks they can also take the APFT with a P3. It is not good for readiness, but there are many Soldiers who have been retained with P3 profiles.
Soldiers like this are not a surprise, and it sometimes takes a PCS to force the hands of the commanders and providers to do what should have been done months and even years ago. You never stated whether the temporary profiles was connected to the pregnancy profile or in addition to. Whether they were continuous profiles or only obtained prior to pt tests.
There are still too many variables. I would figure out the status of the current profile and whether she has a temporary stacked on top of a permanent or what the permanent profile allows for PT. I have seen commands handle this by placing it on the Soldier. They will wait with minimal preparation and have them take a PT test as soon as able. The Soldier fails and is flagged. The medical profiles drag on. In the long run the most common outcomes are the Soldier will RCP, ETS, chapter or be medically separated. It is rare that they overcome the medical condition, based on my experience. Once a pt failure flag is in place, the command can use it to bar the Soldier from reenlistment, and this flag can get the orders deleted and will lead to a chapter in time .
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SSG(P) Ncoic
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Does she have any options? What course of action can she take? I do feel a forcing function coming for that RAPT? Her profile is perm, only work 8 hours, no pt, no additional duties and if she doesnt feel good she can lay in bed all day. 1SG implemeted a new provider & curltailment denied.
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CPT Mark Gonzalez
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SSG(P) (Join to see) the Soldier should follow medical advice and do everything in her power to improve her health and situation. She will live with her medical conditions long after her service has ended. Long term I doubt she will pcs. A gaining unit does not want a non-deployable Soldier that needs to be boarded. The Soldier needs to recover or a board is the right answer. I recommend the Soldier start reading up on the medical board process and learning about her due process. It is rare for a P3 to be returned. She should find out everything she can about why that happened.
The most likely action is she will be boarded prior to pcs or they will bar her prior to pcs. If the Soldier is not healthy, to do anything different is passing the buck, wasting money, and not in the Army's best interest.
Also, unless the Soldier wanted her provider changed, there is a patients bill of rights. It would be rather unethical for her leadership to have caused that change, unless she wanted it to occur.
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That is great feedback. Thank you.
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