Posted on Oct 22, 2014
Terrorists: When can we strip them of US citizenship?
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At what point does an American reach the point where the US Government should be able to strip them of their citizenship? I know it is a touchy subject legally as well as it should as it is a slippery slope. If you start saying it is when people rise against the government then is all those who protested the Vietnam or OIF wars subject to be stripped? How about if you run away from the US to avoid the draft? Is it when they start to incite others to strike against the US such as Anwar al-Aulaqi? Or is it when they donate money to a terrorist organization? Or is it only when they themselves pick up arms against the US? Even then is it only when supported by witnesses as we saw in the John Walker Lindh he apparently did not have enough witnesses of the exact act.
As you can see it can be very complicated. What are your thoughts?
As you can see it can be very complicated. What are your thoughts?
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If they are proving to be Terrorists and are living in the United States and they commit an act against the United States they should be shot. Stripping them of their citizenship is going to accomplish nothing other then getting them out of the states. That's the problem with this country, we've grown soft and try to coddle people too much. We need to be tough again, stop taking BS from all these...... Well you get my point.
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SFC Richard Giles
LTC (Join to see) - I get CPT but isn't that the price they should pay for coming over here and trying to disrupt our country? It all goes back to what I was saying earlier about going soft. If they have no respect for us and our country then why should we show them any?
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LTC (Join to see)
SFC Richard Giles - Think more so those who were born here and then radicalized that we legally have more hoops to go through to target. That is where question came from. But is it easier to add to strike list after we remove citizenship or can we do it without?
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SFC Richard Giles
LTC (Join to see) - The more I read into the more confused I'm getting. I don't think it should matter if you're Naturalized or born here, why have separate laws for each? If you're a citizen period and you do those things you mentioned in your original and it can be proven then you should be gone.
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For those who are born in the U.S., I think it that Article III of the Constitution could potentially place a suspect on a military tribunal (and that's the easy route) but terrorists aren't exactly agents of a recognized state (so it complicates things). There was a Terrorist Expatriation Act proposed by Senator Joe Lieberman (D-CT) in 2010 to ensure ease in prosecuting suspects after being stripped of citizenship but the bill was killed that same year.
For Naturalized citizens on the other hand; from my understanding, it's a complicated process but according to the Immigration Naturalization Act (INA) of 1952 and Title 8 of the U.S. Code; here are some grounds that are in place already (law):
1. Falsification or Concealment of Relevant Facts (Affiliation, war crimes, etc.)
2. Refusal to Testify Before Congress.
3. Membership in Subversive Groups.
4. Dishonorable Military Discharge (before the 5th year of joining the Military)
For Naturalized citizens on the other hand; from my understanding, it's a complicated process but according to the Immigration Naturalization Act (INA) of 1952 and Title 8 of the U.S. Code; here are some grounds that are in place already (law):
1. Falsification or Concealment of Relevant Facts (Affiliation, war crimes, etc.)
2. Refusal to Testify Before Congress.
3. Membership in Subversive Groups.
4. Dishonorable Military Discharge (before the 5th year of joining the Military)
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Capt Gregory Prickett
It's not going to matter if you can't get around the Trop ruling of the Supreme Court which stated that taking citizenship away was a violation of the Eighth Amendment. A military tribunal has no more authority to implement a punishment in violation of the Constitution than any other court.
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We don't. Treat them as criminals.
If all they do is speak out, 1st Amendment.
If they act out, put them in prison based on the crimes they commit.
Personally, I'm tired of giving criminals the credit for committing and act of "terror". It somehow makes them "special", which I find offensive. Same with "Hate Crimes".
Why is murder more offensive because of hate or ideology?
Why is any crime more offensive for that reason?
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If all they do is speak out, 1st Amendment.
If they act out, put them in prison based on the crimes they commit.
Personally, I'm tired of giving criminals the credit for committing and act of "terror". It somehow makes them "special", which I find offensive. Same with "Hate Crimes".
Why is murder more offensive because of hate or ideology?
Why is any crime more offensive for that reason?
-end rant-
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