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I see people constantly quoting the Second Amendment anytime an issue comes up having to do with personally owned weapons... but did you know, that the individual did not have this right until 2008? As a nation, we have had the right to form well regulated militias. The individual person, however, has only had the right to own weapons for seven years now.

It was District of Columbia v Heller (2008) that allowed all of us to own weapons.

http://www.lawnix.com/cases/dc-heller.html
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SCPO Joshua I
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Heller simply enforced a right that existed since the beginning of time and was enshrined in the Constitution at the founding of this nation.
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SSgt Nicholas Johnson
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Completely agreed! It would appear SGT Pegg has no idea what he is talking about as his assertions are entirely incorrect. Furthermore, I would wager to bet that he didn't even read the article he's citing.
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SCPO Joshua I
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Most people don't bother to read or understand the second amendment, it's easier to let other people think for them and tell them what to believe.
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SFC Mark Merino
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SCPO Joshua I - Sad but true. Drink this new and improved koolaid. Sheep.
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Does anyone really fall for any of this B.S.? This topic is a statement and not a question. The question is really a leading one and meant to perpetrate the loss of gun ownership through any means necessary.
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SGT David T.
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The right has always been there. The Heller decision was the first decisive case that affirmed it. If we look at the founders' writings on the subject at the time there was a clear indication of a right to private ownership. The notion that the right to keep and bear arms tied to service in the militia came about in the 19th century and was inconsistent with the founders' intent.
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If you read the entire decision, it applied for a well regulated militia. Not individual people.
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SGT David T.
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No. The Heller decision stated thatbthe right to keep and bear arms was unconnected to militia service. And the word regulated as it is used in the second amendment means well supplied not restricted.
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1LT William Clardy
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SGT David T., the usage of "well-regulated" in the Second Amendment means neither restricted nor well-supplied. It is moreof a descriptor for being both organized and disciplined - referencing back to Congress' power to "provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining" the militia.
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2nd Amendment... How long has this REALLY been applicable?
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“A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”

—Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution

Is this sentence so hard to understand? Apparently so. Even some of its defenders don’t like how it is worded because it allegedly breeds misunderstanding.

But the Second Amendment of the Bill of Rights is indeed a well-crafted sentence. By that I mean that its syntax permits only one reasonable interpretation of the authors’ meaning, namely, that the people’s individual right to be armed ought to be respected and that the resulting armed populace will be secure against tyranny, invasion, and crime. Someone completely ignorant of the eighteenth-century American political debates but familiar with the English language should be able to make out the meaning easily.

My concern is not to demonstrate that what the amendment says is good policy, only that it says what it says. No other fair reading is possible.

The Competing Interpretation

Before proceeding, let’s understand the competing interpretation. As the American Civil Liberties Union of Southern California put it, “The original intent of the Second Amendment was to protect the right of states to maintain militias.” Dennis Henigan of Handgun Control, Inc., says the amendment is “about the distribution of military power in a society between the federal government and the states. That’s all they [the Framers] were talking about.” As he put it elsewhere, “The Second Amendment guaranteed the right of the people to be armed as part of a ‘well regulated’ militia, ensuring that the arming of the state militia not depend on the whim of the central government” [emphasis added].

This interpretation is diametrically opposed to the view that says the amendment affirms the right of private individuals to have firearms. The ACLU, HCI, and others reject this, arguing that the amendment only affirms the right of the states to maintain militias or, today, the National Guard. These competing interpretations can’t both be right.

The first problem with the militia interpretation is that the amendment speaks of a right and, of course, the amendment appears in the Bill of Rights. (Powers with respect to the militia are enumerated in Articles I and II of the Constitution.) No other amendment of the original ten speaks of the States having rights. Nowhere, moreover, are rights recognized for government (which in the Framers’ view is the servant) but denied to the people (the masters). Henigan and company are in the untenable position of arguing that while the Framers used the term “the people” to mean individuals in the First (the right to assemble), Fourth (the right to be secure in persons, houses, papers, and effects), Ninth (unenumerated rights), and Tenth (reserved powers) Amendments, they suddenly used the same term to mean “the States” in the Second. That makes no sense.

More important, the diction and syntax of the amendment contradict Henigan’s argument. If the Framers meant to say that the States have a right to organize militias or that only people who are members of the militia have a right to guns, why would they say, “the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed”? The Framers were intelligent men with a good grasp of the language. As we can see from the Tenth Amendment, they were capable of saying “States” when they meant States and “people” when they meant people. They could have said, “The right of the States to organize and arm militias shall not be infringed,” though that would have contradicted Article I, Section 8, which delegated that power to the Congress. (Roger Sherman proposed such language, but it was rejected.) Or, they could have written, “The right of members of the state militia to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed,” though that would have contradicted Article I, Section 9, which forbids the States to “keep Troops . . . in time of Peace.” They didn’t write it that way. They wrote “the people,” without qualification. (The Supreme Court said in the 1990 case U.S. v. Verdugo-Urquidez that “the people” has the same meaning—individuals—throughout the Bill of Rights.)

But, say the gun controllers, what of that opening phrase, “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state”? Here’s where we have to do some syntactical analysis. James Madison’s original draft reversed the order of the amendment: “The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well armed and well regulated militia being the best security of a free country.” Perhaps this version makes Madison’s thought more clear. His sentence implies that the way to achieve the well-armed and well-regulated militia that is necessary to the security of a free state is to recognize the right of people to own guns. In other words, without the individual freedom to own and carry arms, there can be no militia. As to the term “well regulated,” it does not refer to government regulation. This can be seen in Federalist 29, where Alexander Hamilton wrote that a militia acquired “the degree of perfection which would entitle them to the character of a well regulated militia” by going “through military exercises and evolutions, as often as might be necessary.”

What the Syntax Tells Us

How do we know that the “well regulated militia” is defined in terms of an armed populace and not vice versa? The syntax of the sentence tells us. Madison and his colleagues in the House of Representatives chose to put the militia reference into a dependent phrase. They picked the weakest possible construction by using the participle “being” instead of writing, say, “Since a well regulated militia is necessary. . . .” Their syntax keeps the militia idea from stealing the thunder of what is to come later in the sentence. Moreover, the weak form indicates that the need for a militia was offered not as a reason (or condition) for prohibiting infringement of the stated right but rather as the reason for enumerating the right in the Bill of Rights. (It could have been left implicit in the Ninth Amendment, which affirms unenumerated rights.)

All of this indicates the highly dependent and secondary status of the phrase. Dependent on what? The main, independent clause, which emphatically and unequivocally declares that the people’s right to have guns “shall not be infringed.” (Note: the amendment presupposes the right; it doesn’t grant it.)

Let’s go at this from another direction. Imagine that a Borkian inkblot covers the words “well regulated militia.” All we have is: “A [inkblot] being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.” To make an intelligent guess about the obscured words, we would have to reason from the independent clause back to the dependent phrase. We would know intuitively that the missing words must be consistent with the people having the right to keep and bear arms. In fact, anything else would be patently ridiculous. Try this: “A well-regulated professional standing army (or National Guard) being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.” That sentence would bewilder any honest reader. He’d ask why such unlike elements were combined in one sentence. It makes no sense. It’s a non sequitur.

Imagine the deliberations of the Committee of Eleven, the group of House members to which Madison’s proposed bill of rights was referred. Assume that one member says, “We should have an amendment addressing the fact that the way to achieve the well-regulated militia that is necessary to the security of a free state is for the national government to respect the right of the States to organize and arm militias.” “No,” replies another member. “The amendment should reflect the fact that the way to achieve the well-regulated militia that is necessary to the security of a free state is for the government to respect the people’s right to bear arms.” If both members were told to turn their declarative sentences into the imperative form appropriate to a bill of rights, which one would have come up with the language that became the Second Amendment? The question answers itself.

The Committee of Eleven reversed the elements of Madison’s amendment. But that, of course, did not change the meaning, only the emphasis. In fact, the reversal made it a better sentence for the Bill of Rights. As adopted, the amendment begins by quickly putting on the record the most important reason for its inclusion in the Bill of Rights but without dwelling on the matter; that’s what the weak participle, “being,” accomplishes. The sentence then moves on to the main event: “the right of the people to keep and bear arms.” The Framers correctly intuited that in a Bill of Rights, the last thing the reader should have ringing in his mind’s ear is the absolute prohibition on infringement of the natural right to own guns.

I am not suggesting that the Framers said explicitly that the militia reference should go into a dependent participial phrase so that future readers would know that it takes its meaning from the independent clause. They didn’t need to do that. To be fluent in English means that one intuits the correct syntax for the occasion and purpose at hand. Much knowledge of a language is tacit. We have to assume that the Framers knew what they were saying.

What Language Experts Say

This analysis is seconded by two professional grammarians and usage experts. In 1991, author J. Neil Schulman submitted the text of the Second Amendment to A. C. Brocki, editorial coordinator of the Office of Instruction of the Los Angeles Unified School District and a former senior editor for Houghton Mifflin, and Roy Copperud, now deceased, the author of several well-regarded usage books and a member of the American Heritage Dictionary usage panel. Brocki and Copperud told Schulman that the right recognized in the amendment is unconditional and unrestricted as to who possesses it.

Asked if the amendment could be interpreted to mean that only the militia had the right, Brocki replied, “No, I can’t see that.” According to Copperud, “The sentence does not restrict the right to keep and bear arms, nor does it state or imply possession of the right elsewhere or by others than the people.” As to the relation of the militia to the people, Schulman paraphrased Brocki as saying, “The sentence means that the people are the militia, and that the people have the right which is mentioned.” On this point, Copperud, who was sympathetic to gun control, nevertheless said, “The right to keep and bear arms is asserted as essential for maintaining the militia.”

It is also important to realize that, as a matter of logic, the opening phrase does not limit the main clause. As the legal scholar and philosopher Stephen Halbrook has argued, although part one of the amendment implies part two, it does not follow that if part one doesn’t obtain, part two is null and void. The sentence “The earth being flat, the right of the people to avoid ocean travel shall not be infringed” does not imply that if the earth is round, people may be compelled to sail. The Framers would not have implied that a right can properly be infringed; to call something a right is to say that no infringement is proper. As another philosopher and legal scholar, Roger Pilon, has written, the amendment implies that the need for a militia is a sufficient but not a necessary condition for forbidding infringement of the right to have firearms. The sentence also tells us that an armed populace is a necessary condition for a well-regulated militia.

Superfluous Commas

A word about punctuation: most reproductions of the Second Amendment contain a plethora of commas: “A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” But according to the American Law Division of the Library of Congress, this is not how the amendment was punctuated in the version adopted by Congress in 1789 and ratified by the States. That version contained only one comma, after the word state which, by the way, was not uppercased in the original, indicating a generic political entity as opposed to the particular States of the Union. If the superfluous commas have confused people about the amendment’s meaning, that cause of confusion is now removed.

One need not resort to historical materials to interpret the Second Amendment, because it is all there in the text. Nevertheless, it is appropriate to point out that history supports, and in no way contradicts, that reading. Gun ownership was ubiquitous in eighteenth-century America, and the Founding Fathers repeatedly acknowledged the importance of an armed citizenry. They also stated over and over that the militia is, as George Mason, the acknowledged father of the Bill of Rights, put it, “the whole people.” Madison himself, in Federalist 46, sought to assuage the fears of the American people during the ratification debate by noting that an abusive standing army “would be opposed [by] a militia amounting to near half a million of citizens with arms in their hands.” That would have comprised the entire free adult male population at the time. There’s no question that at the center of the American people’s tacit ideology was the principle that, ultimately, they could not delegate the right of self-defense to anyone else and thus they were responsible for their own safety.

Perhaps the deterioration of American education is illustrated by the high correlation between the number of years a person has attended school and his inability to understand the words “the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.” It is more likely, though, that those who interpret the Second Amendment to preclude an individual right to own guns are driven by their political agenda. Whichever the case, they do themselves no credit when they tell us that a simple, elegant sentence means the opposite of what it clearly says.

Sheldon Richman February 1, 1998
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Sgt Jerami Ballard
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Exactly MSgt Borders! The 2nd is a two parter. It first protects a states ability to craft a militia for its own protection from both foreign enemies and the central government. Secondly, it protects the right of the people to own firearms because it is their protection from the same.
Even the federal courts have ruled that you are solely responsible for the defense of self, family, and property. Your means to do so are the articles of the Bill of Rights. Neither the state nor federal government have the obligation to protect you because that protection is a form of control that violates your basic rights and your rights under the 9th and 10th amendments as well. The Congress cannot tell you to not defend yourself, the states cannot tell you to defend yourself, only you can tell yourself not to defend yourself.
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Cpl Dennis F.
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What total and utter bullshit!
Is this nonsensical thinking the result of our deteriorating education system that has no desire to teach history, or much else for that matter. I am stunned to read such crap here!
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I am not because the propaganda machine is running at top speed.
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DC v Heller was about the extent to which the 2nd Amendment applied. Since DC is not a State but a District and therefore has no Militia it was thought, by the District, that the 2nd Amendment did not apply in the District.

The flaw in their reasoning is the Bill of Rights is a abridgment against government power. It is not a delineation of rights assumed. DC is a Federal District as such it does not have a militia, it is who is barred from preventing "...the people, to keep and bare arms.." James Madison, who authored the Bill of Rights, also authored The Federalist Papers (see No. 46); he used the Virginia Declaration of Rights as a model for the Bill of Rights (see Section 13).
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I am calling B.S.
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I'm calling shenanigans as well.
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PO1 Jason Taylor
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Forever, the world is no safer now then it was then!
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People seem to forget that.
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Sgt Jerami Ballard
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I would say that now, the world is even more dangerous than ever. With the ease of access to both information and travel, any entity who may wish to do you harm has an unparalleled capability to do so. Governments no longer act, but speak hollow words and empty promises, NATO is a joke from a bygone era, no modern aggressor follows the Geneva Articles, and religion has found its way back into the instigation of war.
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SSgt Nicholas Johnson
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Did you actually read the article you're citing? DC v Heller pertains only to the District of Columbia and you are implying that it holds some sort of relevance to the entire nation. Moreover, your assertions are completely false as well. The right for an individual's rights to bear arms has always been there--in DC as well as the rest of the country. DC v Heller simply proved that (within DC) by ruling in favor of Heller as a result of the unconstitutional laws being enforced in DC.
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SSgt Nicholas Johnson
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Moreover, SGT David Thomas articulated the last point perfectly when he said, "the notion that the right to keep and bear arms tied to service in the militia came about in the 19th century and was inconsistent with the founders' intent". This is not an opinion, it's fact.
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SCPO Joshua I
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Heller incorporated the 2nd amendment against the States (all of them) under the 14th amendment. It applies everywhere, and was the genesis of McDonald, which threw out Chicago's gun ban.

The legal theory of incorporation is silly, but it is the framework scotus has used to apply the bill of rights to the States.
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SSgt Nicholas Johnson
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Apologies if my initial post wasn't clearer. DC v Heller was a District of Columbia case only. That said however, yes, the Supreme Court's decision applies nationally--although that can be said about every case they review due to the fact that it set legal precedence.
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As a Native Virginian, born and raised US Citizen, and protector of our great nation, under the Constitution, we as individual Citizens have always had the right to have a means the defend ourselves against tyranny. There is a reason the Second Amendment is the Second and not the Tenth. The Second protects the First. Has been that way and God willing will remain so for the years to come.
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Amen,....now accept my contact request.
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SFC Mark Merino - Crap...noticed I have a request from you as well...accepted SERGEANT! ;)
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