Posted on Mar 1, 2018
Recruiters say I need to lie about my physical condition and I am in AR with ship date this month. What should I do?
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Hello
I signed up as Army Reserve on May, 2016. I'm in DTP (not DEP).
3 Weeks ago, I severely injured my back and doctors are saying it will get worse so it is best not to go to basic training. And I have my ship date for mid March, 2018.
I have submitted medical documents showing my diagnosis to my recruiter.
I just went to talk to my recruiter today, he says they have 2 options.
#1. Go to the MEPS and do the physical and pass which I can barely walk, stand, or run right now. Take pain medication so you can pass the duck walk. Don’t tell the MEPS that you are injured. And on the ship date don’t show up. Recruiters are going to pretend that I am missing or unable to contact.
#2. Don’t go to MEPS and don’t show up on the ship date. My unit will release you from the DTP as no-show.
I just don’t feel like this is a good idea and I don’t understand why recruiters want me to lie at MEPS about my medical/physical conditions.
He mentioned that there will be less paperwork for them and less effect if I just don’t show up.
I need your help badly. I want to go through a proper procedure to get ELS from military due to injury before and be honest about the injury is severe to go to basic training.
Thank you.
Best regards,
I signed up as Army Reserve on May, 2016. I'm in DTP (not DEP).
3 Weeks ago, I severely injured my back and doctors are saying it will get worse so it is best not to go to basic training. And I have my ship date for mid March, 2018.
I have submitted medical documents showing my diagnosis to my recruiter.
I just went to talk to my recruiter today, he says they have 2 options.
#1. Go to the MEPS and do the physical and pass which I can barely walk, stand, or run right now. Take pain medication so you can pass the duck walk. Don’t tell the MEPS that you are injured. And on the ship date don’t show up. Recruiters are going to pretend that I am missing or unable to contact.
#2. Don’t go to MEPS and don’t show up on the ship date. My unit will release you from the DTP as no-show.
I just don’t feel like this is a good idea and I don’t understand why recruiters want me to lie at MEPS about my medical/physical conditions.
He mentioned that there will be less paperwork for them and less effect if I just don’t show up.
I need your help badly. I want to go through a proper procedure to get ELS from military due to injury before and be honest about the injury is severe to go to basic training.
Thank you.
Best regards,
Recruiter
Army Reserve Unit Administrator
Posted 6 y ago
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PFC (Join to see)
A: Dont Lie
B: Go back and tell your recruiter you will not lie or lie by omission .
C: If not properly notified of cancellation for your report date IN WRITING, report as directed and tell the in processing folks your concerns about current health status, you will not be the first, or the hundredth this month that has had this issue..its not a big deal.
D: Message me your recruiters contact info.
E: After you are better, seek assistance from a different recruiter ..even if they never said lie outright, whatever they did say left you with that impression so at BEST, they suck at communication and thats not the guy you want working for you.
A: Dont Lie
B: Go back and tell your recruiter you will not lie or lie by omission .
C: If not properly notified of cancellation for your report date IN WRITING, report as directed and tell the in processing folks your concerns about current health status, you will not be the first, or the hundredth this month that has had this issue..its not a big deal.
D: Message me your recruiters contact info.
E: After you are better, seek assistance from a different recruiter ..even if they never said lie outright, whatever they did say left you with that impression so at BEST, they suck at communication and thats not the guy you want working for you.
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Sgt Curtis Thomas
It's odd that guys are telling you to find a different recruiter. The medical standards are not gonna magically change with a new recruiter.
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LTC (Join to see)
Sgt Curtis Thomas - It's not because of the medical standards. Check out SGM Marquez' excellent response.
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SGM Erik Marquez
Sgt Curtis Thomas - Its even more odd you posted your response under mine in direct reply, but did not read what I wrote....lol
In part and relevant to your post I said
" After you are better, seek assistance from a different recruiter ..even if they never said lie outright, whatever they did say left you with that impression so at BEST, they suck at communication and thats not the guy you want working for you."
Hope that clears up your misunderstanding. .
In part and relevant to your post I said
" After you are better, seek assistance from a different recruiter ..even if they never said lie outright, whatever they did say left you with that impression so at BEST, they suck at communication and thats not the guy you want working for you."
Hope that clears up your misunderstanding. .
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SGT Greg Gold
SGM Erik Marquez - Without net verification from trusted female sources your wife will reject authentication of message. The the fun REALLY starts.......
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DO NOT LIE! That's just horrible advice. If your recruiters are telling you to lie on official paperwork I would find different recruiters. If they are more concerned about the amount of paperwork that they have to do than the people they are trying to recruit to become soldiers they should not be on recruiting duty.
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Do not listen to your recruiter, he is violating his own instructions.
http://www.usarec.army.mil/im/formpub/rec_pubs/r601_95.pdf
d. Recruiters will immediately notify their RS
commanders of any circumstances that change
a DEP member’s status. This includes any additional
law violations, medical problems, education
changes, or apathy that the DEP member
may exhibit.
e. RS commanders will immediately notify the
CLT of any change in a DEP member’s status
that may affect his or her ship date. This specifically
includes any actions by the DEP member
that creates additional administrative processing
prior to ship date (i.e., medical or moral
waiver). Those DEP members that may not
ship, regardless of the reason, will also be projected
to the CLT.
http://www.usarec.army.mil/im/formpub/rec_pubs/r601_95.pdf
d. Recruiters will immediately notify their RS
commanders of any circumstances that change
a DEP member’s status. This includes any additional
law violations, medical problems, education
changes, or apathy that the DEP member
may exhibit.
e. RS commanders will immediately notify the
CLT of any change in a DEP member’s status
that may affect his or her ship date. This specifically
includes any actions by the DEP member
that creates additional administrative processing
prior to ship date (i.e., medical or moral
waiver). Those DEP members that may not
ship, regardless of the reason, will also be projected
to the CLT.
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CW4 John Wheatley
Contact this recruiters chain of command and inform them of your situation.You are probably not the first person that this recruiters lack of integrity as affected, but you do want to be the last. This individual needs to be reprimanded.
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