Posted on Apr 17, 2018
Will it benefit the USAR to allow UnSat Soldiers to accumulate 28 unexcused absence before separation actions can being initiated?
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The new USARC policy (USARC OPORD 18-085) requires an accumulation of 28 unexcused absences within a 12 month period before separation proceedings can be initiated.
Is this a benefit to the Soldier or a curse to their leadership?
Is this a benefit to the Soldier or a curse to their leadership?
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2LT (Join to see) I would put the Soldier on AT orders. When he/she doesn’t show, initiate process for discharge. I don’t know how the Reserves do it, but in the Guard, no show for AT is the quickest way to discharge. I did it because I didn’t want to wait for three months to discharge someone who didn’t want to be in anymore.
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In my state we have moved on from AT being "optional". Soldiers must attend Annual Training and not doing so is now a the nail on the coffin.
Regardless, upping the number of absent periods to 28 is beyond ridiculous. Especially in a time and period of the Military growing lethality as whole. It is beyond comprehension that an individual, let alone a unit would be able to develop its training profanity with being absent that much!
Regardless, upping the number of absent periods to 28 is beyond ridiculous. Especially in a time and period of the Military growing lethality as whole. It is beyond comprehension that an individual, let alone a unit would be able to develop its training profanity with being absent that much!
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This is a curse.
Anyone who has been in for a minute knows "that guy" who knows exactly what the rules are and plays just inside them. Basically, taking off two drills a year - because you can only get 4 U's in a single weekend, even if it is a MUTA 5 or 6 - in order to dodge BAs that they find they wish to avoid, such as an FTX, SRP, or APFT.
The amount of vagrancy possible with 28 U's is 7 MONTHS of drills, meaning a turd would only have to show up half the time and be safe from getting tossed out.
No thanks.
I am sure that the notion is to retain a guy that we've paid to train in case of war, but does anyone think this guy would show up if a call-up happened? How useful (or useless) would such a Soldier be?
Not only that, but in terms of practical execution, you would use up a ton of administrative resources documenting all of that in order to process an UNSAT discharge... all time and effort spent on a useless oxygen thief.
I would be curious to hear a senior leader's thoughts on this policy.
Anyone who has been in for a minute knows "that guy" who knows exactly what the rules are and plays just inside them. Basically, taking off two drills a year - because you can only get 4 U's in a single weekend, even if it is a MUTA 5 or 6 - in order to dodge BAs that they find they wish to avoid, such as an FTX, SRP, or APFT.
The amount of vagrancy possible with 28 U's is 7 MONTHS of drills, meaning a turd would only have to show up half the time and be safe from getting tossed out.
No thanks.
I am sure that the notion is to retain a guy that we've paid to train in case of war, but does anyone think this guy would show up if a call-up happened? How useful (or useless) would such a Soldier be?
Not only that, but in terms of practical execution, you would use up a ton of administrative resources documenting all of that in order to process an UNSAT discharge... all time and effort spent on a useless oxygen thief.
I would be curious to hear a senior leader's thoughts on this policy.
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How do I get this document? I went to the publication page and it says the folder doesn't exist when I click on it. Is there somewhere else or is there a way someone can post it here? Thank you
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I just tried myself and the same thing happened to me. It must be a link issue.
I'll send it to your enterprise email.
I'll send it to your enterprise email.
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Can someone please send me this document as well. I can’t find it and I need the date in order to help a soldier, who is getting screwed out of her bonus.
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