Posted on Jul 11, 2018
Should enlisted jobs go on an officer's biographical sketch?
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Looking at Appendix H of NGR600-100, the example shows that even though the officer had 4 years enlisted experience, none of his duty assignments as an enlisted soldier are listed on the sketch.
Edit - Thank you for the responses. A point of clarification I would like to make is that I am submitting an application for an AGR position, and it is all done on paper. Whatever I put in my sketch is all that the evaluation board will see. The job announcement specifically states to use the template I referenced above.
I was specifically wondering about the list of appointments. As an officer, I obviously do not have a lot to put in there yet. The way I interpreted the template is enlisted/NCO jobs are not appointments, therefore they do not belong in that section, however there was nothing else in the sketch template that allowed me to put in my significant assignments, of which I have several, having served 16 years enlisted before going Dark Side.
Edit - Thank you for the responses. A point of clarification I would like to make is that I am submitting an application for an AGR position, and it is all done on paper. Whatever I put in my sketch is all that the evaluation board will see. The job announcement specifically states to use the template I referenced above.
I was specifically wondering about the list of appointments. As an officer, I obviously do not have a lot to put in there yet. The way I interpreted the template is enlisted/NCO jobs are not appointments, therefore they do not belong in that section, however there was nothing else in the sketch template that allowed me to put in my significant assignments, of which I have several, having served 16 years enlisted before going Dark Side.
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I was told to remove my enlisted assignments from my ORB, which contributes to my bio card. Advise was given to me by my squadron commander, now a full bird. I took his word like gospel due to his successful track record. This may be similar to officers refraining from wearing marksmanship badges. Not every acceptable practice is in Black in white.
Hope this helps.
Hope this helps.
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My old Cpt now up for LT Col would love wearing his DS badge and told me other officers he worked with would always ask him about his trail time and wish they would of been able to be a drill sgt. Plus he said he loved that his Enlisted troops especially NCO's would always talk to him more often then his peers because they knew he was an NCO. So I guess it could go either way.
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As a Mustang myself, I wholeheartedly disagree with removing the enlisted references from my military bio. As CSM Darieus ZaGara mentioned, good to know where you come from and the perspective you bring. This is particularly useful in defending your value when you’re a prior-enlisted LT.
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I was specifically addressing a list of appointments similar to that on the ORB. If the applications calls for a narrative, then I would certainly include your prior experience as a selling point, especially if it pertains to the job that you’re applying for.
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I have seen enlisted comments I the BIO of General Officers. Its good to know where you come from and what influences you. Thank you for your service v
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Good question. One that I had when I was a LT in the late 90's and a prior service NCO myself. Here's some factors to consider. Promotion boards are all electronic now so the officer bio and paper DA2-1 are relics of the past used by State level managers or unit commanders that don't have access to your records. Remember, that Reg was written in 1994 when the internet was still an infant and I had typewriters in my Company HQ. The electronic ORB does not allow for prior service time to be recorded (as far as I know), unless its just a free text entry by your assignment officer (or whoever has access to it). Your PEBD will show if you were in the Army before your commission date. If you are talking about Appendix H in the NGB reg, it looks pretty cut and dry. Showing a prior service shows you have some legit time under your belt. Its not an Enlisted bio, so I would just put "Honorable Discharge, (RANK), MOS, year XX to year YY" is all you need. As you get more senior, a lot of that becomes irrelevant unless your talking to NCOs at the DFAC. I knew one 3-star that still wore his Drill Sergeant badge on his uniform. The NCOs liked that. The education portion is a good idea especially if you have a cool school under your belt like ATRRS operator, security manager, or something else that is transferable to the officer ranks, or a school that had both NCOs and officers. Basic training and AIT... not so much cause everyone goes to those and you identified your school with the MOS. Most important, whatever you declare on that bio/2-1/ORB, better be backed up with documentation in your OMPF. Just sayin... Enjoy your career as an officer!
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Thank you for the detailed response, Sir. A point of clarification I would like to make (and will add to the original post), is that I am submitting an application for an AGR position, and it is all done on paper. Whatever I put in my sketch is all that the evaluation board will see.
I was specifically wondering about the list of appointments. As an officer, I obviously do not have a lot to put in there. The way I interpreted the template is enlisted/NCO jobs are not appointments, therefore they do not belong in that section, however there was nothing else in the sketch template that allowed me to put in my significant assignments, of which I have several, having served 16 years enlisted before going Dark Side.
I was specifically wondering about the list of appointments. As an officer, I obviously do not have a lot to put in there. The way I interpreted the template is enlisted/NCO jobs are not appointments, therefore they do not belong in that section, however there was nothing else in the sketch template that allowed me to put in my significant assignments, of which I have several, having served 16 years enlisted before going Dark Side.
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COL Thomas Ficarra
I would worry about the appointments part. Your still pretty junior no matter your prior service or age. AGR boards look at your current PME completion level (match rank), potential to make 20 years AFS before MRD, positions available, and deragatory stuff.
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