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What do you all think about the Army Qualitative Management Program? Do you think the Army has taken this specific involuntary separation to far? It used to be a tool to separate SFC and above with 19 to 31 years of service out of the Army but they are now targeting SSG and above regardless of time in service.
MILPER Message 14-314
Army Directive 2014-06
MILPER Message 14-314
Army Directive 2014-06
Posted >1 y ago
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I feel the QMP/QSP process is severely flawed. This process is designed to target individuals with any kind of bad paperwork in their file to include NCOs who have been stellar their entire career but maybe had a personality conflict with the chain of command during one rating period. The process should be more defined to target the individuals that show a pattern of misconduct and repeat offenses. In recent years toxic leadership has been identified and while the Army has taken steps to remove these individuals From command, what is being done for the individuals whose careers that they may have destroyed? These individuals who may have suffered under the command of these toxic leaders are being forced out with everyone else as well. I have seen countless good NCOs who have the potential to lead the Army in the right direction get forced to retire because of one NCOER that was over 3 or mor years old. In a at least two cases that I have seen personally, the rater was separated due to the ruling of a Show for Cause board proceeding. There is no way anyone can justify the fairness of this process based off what I have seen in my experience. I am very glad I am retired because I don't think I could stand to watch these kinds of injustices occur any longer.
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Program has been around for as long as I can remember while serving, '87-'13, and it was applied at various times to more than SFC and above, our Supply SGT in Korea was QMP'd as a SSG with around 15/16 or so years TIS back in '98. Never was used as much as it is being used now due to the ongoing drawdown.....all I can say is, do your job, take care of your Soldiers and watch your six.....
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SFC Felix Burgos-Figueroa
I agree you definitely gotta watch your six nowadays. I've see some good NCOs get chartered over some BS false SHARP complaints. Then the ones not chartered immediately end up getting QMPed later on. It's wild.
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SFC William Swartz Jr
As much as I wish to still be serving, as I felt I still have something to offer, with the rapidity of the changes I have seen from the outside in a little over a year, I am glad to be retired. Far too many are being shown the door that shouldn't be and far too many that should be are not...I truly feel for NCOs and Soldiers currently serving because, IMO, from the CSA and SMA down, it does not seem that todays leadership values some of the "dinosaurs" that still roam the ranks of the Army and seem more interested in "prettying things up". Sometimes the "Neanderthals" of the Army are far better Soldiers than the "softer, gentler, more pc Soldiers" of today.....
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SGT Robert Hawks
They where QMPing personnel back 1983 so it has been around a long time three bad EERs you could be gone fail your SQT test was factor also when they switched formats and went to NCOERS two bad ones could get you
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speaking as a SSG that is has a good chance of getting QMPed before I hit my 20 (I got over 15 so I ain't too worried) I can honestly say I see the need for it.
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SSG (Join to see)
I definitely know its not an entitlement, but I'll leave it as "very confident" due to other circumstances/knowledge. By the way, out of curiosity, how many QMP'ed NCOs have you heard of not get approved for TERA? I know of one and I am trying to remember the reasoning behind it.
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SFC Felix Burgos-Figueroa
If you know a way that a QMPed NCO can apply for TERA please share: [login to see]
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SFC Felix Burgos-Figueroa
MILPER Message 14-314 and Army Directive 2014-06 go over exactly what your options are when your are QMPed. Also AR 635-200, Chapter 19, also states what your options are. TERA is not one of them in either publication. MILPER Message 14-308 Paragraph 4, Subparagraphs A, B and C explain the circumstances in which you can apply for TERA. Again, QMP is not one of them. You must have at a minimum of 17.9 years when the board selects you for QMP in order to retire.
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SFC Felix Burgos-Figueroa
Remember that prior to 10 April 2014 the only NCOs being QMPed were SFC and above with 19-31 years AFS. They were all retirement eligible.
After 10 April 2014 is when the Army starred going after SSG and above regardless of AFS. Now is when we will start seeing non-retirement eligible NCOs being kicked out.
After 10 April 2014 is when the Army starred going after SSG and above regardless of AFS. Now is when we will start seeing non-retirement eligible NCOs being kicked out.
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