Posted on Sep 27, 2018
When does the transition process begin after an APFT failure?
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I’ve always thought that the separation was initiated after the second consecutive APFT failure. A friend of mine had a record PT test about a month ago. All failures were counseled and flagged 2 days later. Sometime this week, my friend was told that she needed to begin setting up appointments with Soldier for Life, but she has been the only one that was told this. Is it mandatory for her to start now, even though this is her first failure?
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It’s not mandatory, but I have seen it used as a practice. Essentially when someone did something that could result in a chapter have then start the SFL-TAP process. If they overcome it (such as passing their second record APFT) then they no longer have to go but gain valuable knowledge. If they don’t overcome the issue then you have already started the process. This prevents SFL-TAP from being the one thing keeping a Soldier from being chaptered. Honestly your friend should focus more on passing their next APFT and then they have nothing to worry about.
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1, Was it an order?, id so from who. 2. Only the Commander can start a chapter- has she been counseled on the chapter?. Is she doing anything to show that she is working on conforming to the standards (extra PT, asking for PT help, working on her time at the gym)? Maybe someone is trying to impress on her that she MUST meet the standards or be kicked out.
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From my understanding, the Commander gave her SL a memo for all of his soldiers that have failed but she’s been the only one to go to appointments so far. She has not been counseled on a chapter.
A couple of SSG in her unit have offered to help her, but after about a solid week they kind of just stop working with her. Her SL even told her that he wasn’t coming anymore because it sucked to have to do PT twice everyday, but she has still been going to the gym on her own.
Thank you so much, that makes a lot more sense. A scare tactic, so she realizes the severity of the situation and that if she doesn’t get it together then she will have to leave.
A couple of SSG in her unit have offered to help her, but after about a solid week they kind of just stop working with her. Her SL even told her that he wasn’t coming anymore because it sucked to have to do PT twice everyday, but she has still been going to the gym on her own.
Thank you so much, that makes a lot more sense. A scare tactic, so she realizes the severity of the situation and that if she doesn’t get it together then she will have to leave.
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In my experiences the 1SG need to put a plan to help this soldiers out (all of them), and NCO are task to be in charge of the Remedial PT. (different NCO every Week) that is Irregular for a unit to have this.
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I also thought that it was odd for them not to have a Remedial PT, but I’m only National Guard and know very little about how Actve Duty units work, so I just assumed that Remedial PT was only put into play for TRADOC soldiers. Thank you for clarifying!
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My previous Company used this practice just like 1SG Timothy Trewin has seen. I think it's fairly common. It makes the chapter process faster, and there's nothing lost if the Soldier does pass their APFT on the 2nd test.
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That is not the standard and it demoralize the soldier, after the second failure is when chapter paper work is process, then the soldier star with soldier for life. Whit the proper paper work it should not take more than 30-60 days to chapter the soldier out.
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SSG (Join to see) I didn't say it was the standard. It seems to be a common practice though. I've honestly never seen a soldier chaptered out in 30-60 days, that would be great. I know the reason that my company had it while in Germany was because of the length of time it was taking to process them out. I can see how it might demoralize some soldiers, but it could also make it a very clear realization for others that they need to get right or get out.
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