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Have you ever given someone a NCOER/OER that they weren't deserving of only because you didn't want to hurt their career? I get questioned a lot about why I give 2/2's when they're a very good NCO's, whereas their peers in other units who are substandard performers are getting a better eval. It is a hard balance because you don't want to affect their career by putting them behind their peers but on the other hand you have to be honest about how we evaluate our NCO's and Officers. I know how I operate, what are your thoughts on this?
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I worked for a CSM once that stated "If you are not rating your NCOs 1/1 how can you expect to be rated a 1/1?" While not everyone can honestly be a 1/1 NCO, that guidance stuck with me. If I am giving a less-than-stellar NCOER to a subordinate then I must be failing that NCO in leadership and training. It's too bad more NCOs do not think this way.
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I somewhat agree with you on this, but some NCOs just cannot be trained, and should be reduced. I tried my hardest to train, guide, and mentor two Sgts who worked for me, I counseled, I mentored, but one just didn't give a damn about his troops, and the other was sadly incompetent. I wrote them both 4/4 NCOERs but was not allowed to reduce them
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SSG Lisa Rendina
I see what you are saying, are there exceptions...sure. Of course, you also have the quarterly counselings to back up your reasons for the rating and I am sure you have other documentation and witnesses of your efforts to mentor, train, guide, etc those NCOs.
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NO 1SG, we are NOT. If your CoC has removed 4 Soldiers from under you, but you have 1/1 and amongst the best (I just saw this happen) then WE are doing a GRAVE injustice to fellow NCOs, the Soldiers and the Army period. That's how we get toxic leadership at the top, because no one saw fit to provide the proper NCOER or the correct mentorship. For some I've seen them "give" the great NCOER just to move the NCO on. I've heard it said "well, we don't wanna mess up someone's career." I guess I wonder how does it feel when the leader has provided these erroneous NCOERs and then sees that rated NCO on the front page of the Army Times or the local paper for inappropriate behavior or actions regarding our Soldiers.
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Bring back the SQT! That's right, not only promote on the existing criteria, but also bring back the remaining 200 points and ensure that all personnel seeking promotion are well versed in their MOS.
Currently, your knowledge of your main job in the Army bears no relevance on your ablilty to get promoted. I work in a dangerous MOS, around high voltage electricity, and a significant number of personnel are dangerously underqualified. It is literally a matter of life and death, as an incorrect connection will kill someone. But, instead of being promoted on knowledge, or even a hands on exam, they are promoted based soley on their ablilty to shoot, do PT, and complete some form of education which is not required to be in their field.
Currently, your knowledge of your main job in the Army bears no relevance on your ablilty to get promoted. I work in a dangerous MOS, around high voltage electricity, and a significant number of personnel are dangerously underqualified. It is literally a matter of life and death, as an incorrect connection will kill someone. But, instead of being promoted on knowledge, or even a hands on exam, they are promoted based soley on their ablilty to shoot, do PT, and complete some form of education which is not required to be in their field.
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I have to agree SGT Schoof, especially as a technical MOS (guru some would say) myself. If our promotions were based primarily off of our job skills, to include basic Soldiering and leadership, instead of PT scores and pretty uniforms... I believe our formations would look much different.
We've lost track of the "total Soldier" concept and instead have shifted focus from our mission essential jobs, to the things that can be used for putting on a show. Don't get me wrong, I try to make sure my uniform is always in top presentable condition (this is called pride in service, we use to see it with highly shined boots, and starched BDUs), but the job skill we possess and pas on are what is really important... aren't they? Anymore, it seems more about how many blocks we can check, and off to another school to "teach" us something we will never actually use.
Just my two cents
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