Posted on Mar 21, 2019
Are there any loopholes to get an exception to policy for a 92R to reclassify to 68X?
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Hello, 92R trying to get 68X was going 17C but ts would take to long my ets is in feb 2020... I am told I have to have a exception to policy and the likelihood is slim, and yet another 92R got an exception to policy “because she doesn’t want to jump anymore”... is there anyway “loopholes” to ensure a exception to policy... my line scores are well over requirements I have not been in any trouble.. I just wouldn’t see it as right to pass a soldier because she is scared of jumping (even tho she goes sky diving) and not pass a soldier who just had a child and is trying to set her career up for success... please I need help and advice from my superiors?
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There is a lot of misinformation that you're working with here.
No matter what MOS you choose oh, you are going to need to re-enlist in order to change jobs. No matter the length of the training, you're in your re-enlistment window and may only change your MOS through re-enlistment. In addition, any time that you received training or PCS, you will owe a certain amount of time to the Army. When you reclass, you will receive training and you will move.
Second, 17 C is an application MOS. You must apply to the MOS proponent and be accepted before coming to the career counselor to submit for a class date.
If you are initial term Soldier and have never reenlisted, then you are authorized to request a different MOS. You probably will not get 68x just because the strengths do not support it. The Army is not going to pay to train you out of an MOS that is in higher need and into in MOS that is not as in need.
If you are not an initial term Soldier, you are in and understrength MOS, and not authorized to reclass.
I'm not certain why you believe that 68x would be good for your career progression. It is a small MOS with slower career progression than your current one.
I don't know which policy it is that you are requesting an exception to. Airborne status is voluntary and if you choose to terminate your jump status then you must be processed for a new MOS.
No matter what MOS you choose oh, you are going to need to re-enlist in order to change jobs. No matter the length of the training, you're in your re-enlistment window and may only change your MOS through re-enlistment. In addition, any time that you received training or PCS, you will owe a certain amount of time to the Army. When you reclass, you will receive training and you will move.
Second, 17 C is an application MOS. You must apply to the MOS proponent and be accepted before coming to the career counselor to submit for a class date.
If you are initial term Soldier and have never reenlisted, then you are authorized to request a different MOS. You probably will not get 68x just because the strengths do not support it. The Army is not going to pay to train you out of an MOS that is in higher need and into in MOS that is not as in need.
If you are not an initial term Soldier, you are in and understrength MOS, and not authorized to reclass.
I'm not certain why you believe that 68x would be good for your career progression. It is a small MOS with slower career progression than your current one.
I don't know which policy it is that you are requesting an exception to. Airborne status is voluntary and if you choose to terminate your jump status then you must be processed for a new MOS.
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I have all of my information when it comes to re-enlisting for the first time, my airborne status etc and yes I am aware that 17c is an application mos I mentioned above that I was putting 68x as a priority because the ts for the application mos would take to long and you need the ts prior to your class date. Ummm and 92R Career progression is hard I wanted to go chief but situations have occurred and I want to choose a different route for my military career, 92R is only glorified in the military it has no civilian benefits 68x behavioral health specialist is right up my alley with my college and commonalities, so I guess your statement differs on the soldier and their choice of direction they want to go in their career. I was already told by my retention that I would need a exception to policy and the best reason I personally can think of is both mos are accepting slt in and out , yes 68x is accepting slt in the new reclass sheet updated and was effective this 18th... and yes airborne is voluntarily but not for the 92r mos it is a requirement... riggers are the only mos that is required to be airborne and stay current. We must jump every 3 months. But here at bragg it turns into more than that lol
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SPC (Join to see) - I'm going to disagree that you have all the information about reenlisting.
First, you can look at the policy and see that you do not require any exception to policy to request another MOS. It's located on Army Reenlistment if you need to look at it. In fact, you can request 2 MOS's.
Second, 68X is only open to non-promotable Soldiers while 92R is open to non-promotable and promotable soldiers. The actual strength of the MOS will be determined when your request is submitted, but as a rule of thumb, that would indicate that 92R is more understrength. That's not to say you won't get it, only that there is much more to determining strengths than the In/Out calls
Third, airborne is voluntary, and a requirement for the MOS, but it's not the only MOS to require airborne. 37F, CMF18, 38B and 92R all require airborne and have to be reclassed when they are no longer able to jump or refuse to.
You don't need a TS to apply for 17C, you need a TS for the seat. You can apply now and if you get accepted, extend long enough to get the clearance, and then reenlist when you get your seat. Or, apply, get rejected and request a different MOS. Application MOS's are a two part process. You have to get accepted and then bring your acceptance letter to retention.
92R is a bit slow for progression, but 68X is equally slow, you may wish to choose an MOS that is a bit larger. You can look over promotion points for E6 over the last year for the MOS's you want to see what the actual rate of progression is.
First, you can look at the policy and see that you do not require any exception to policy to request another MOS. It's located on Army Reenlistment if you need to look at it. In fact, you can request 2 MOS's.
Second, 68X is only open to non-promotable Soldiers while 92R is open to non-promotable and promotable soldiers. The actual strength of the MOS will be determined when your request is submitted, but as a rule of thumb, that would indicate that 92R is more understrength. That's not to say you won't get it, only that there is much more to determining strengths than the In/Out calls
Third, airborne is voluntary, and a requirement for the MOS, but it's not the only MOS to require airborne. 37F, CMF18, 38B and 92R all require airborne and have to be reclassed when they are no longer able to jump or refuse to.
You don't need a TS to apply for 17C, you need a TS for the seat. You can apply now and if you get accepted, extend long enough to get the clearance, and then reenlist when you get your seat. Or, apply, get rejected and request a different MOS. Application MOS's are a two part process. You have to get accepted and then bring your acceptance letter to retention.
92R is a bit slow for progression, but 68X is equally slow, you may wish to choose an MOS that is a bit larger. You can look over promotion points for E6 over the last year for the MOS's you want to see what the actual rate of progression is.
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Interesting situation. Have you talke with your branch manager regarding the situation? S/he is who will seek final approval or deny of your waiver.
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Thank you sir In reality of it I just had a baby and my body just isn’t the same anymore my body is beat up from years of athletics transferred to military and I know the best thing for me to do is change my mos. I want it or medical because those will never go it was a priority but that’s just along time away from my baby I wanted paralegal to begin with but there are no slots for those at all, and behavioral health is something I have been involved in and want to continue to be involved in. Thank you for your service sir MAJ Javier Rivera
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SPC (Join to see) it doesn't matter how many times you Reclass. The policy is if you're an initial term Soldier, meaning you've never reenlisted. You can view the actual policy on Army reenlistment.
You're mistaken about the medical MOSs never going away. Since I became a medic in 2006 they combined the field and hospital medics into one MOS and made separate ASIs for most of the specialties. Then later split the ASIs into separate MOSs again. Now that they've done that, those low density MOS are often over strength. Plus, they have severe bottlenecks at E5, especially 68X. As for being away from your baby, the long courses are PCS length and you'll take your family. Any course over 19 weeks is a PCS length.
If you're really interested in mental health, don't pick a different MOS, pick a better long term goal. The Army has a Masters in Social Work commissioning program. It requires a bachelor to apply. Finish your bachelor; don't get misled into thinking reclassing will get you closer to that particular job. Stay where you're at, or PCS to somewhere with a more relaxed optempo, and put all your spare time into finishing your bachelor's and then apply.
You're mistaken about the medical MOSs never going away. Since I became a medic in 2006 they combined the field and hospital medics into one MOS and made separate ASIs for most of the specialties. Then later split the ASIs into separate MOSs again. Now that they've done that, those low density MOS are often over strength. Plus, they have severe bottlenecks at E5, especially 68X. As for being away from your baby, the long courses are PCS length and you'll take your family. Any course over 19 weeks is a PCS length.
If you're really interested in mental health, don't pick a different MOS, pick a better long term goal. The Army has a Masters in Social Work commissioning program. It requires a bachelor to apply. Finish your bachelor; don't get misled into thinking reclassing will get you closer to that particular job. Stay where you're at, or PCS to somewhere with a more relaxed optempo, and put all your spare time into finishing your bachelor's and then apply.
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SPC (Join to see) you might want to rethink your statement of “never go away”. Remember that the Army has many good ideas faeries who out of nowhere decide to reorganize MOS and God only knows what else. Therefore, that fancy over strengthen medical MOS is no existent.
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I can’t stand where I am at, my body is not able to anymore and it’s just something I personally need to do if I want to retire not be medically retired. Are there any other mos that you would suggest? SFC (Join to see)
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