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For the army I have currently for no regulation stating what the definition per regulation on what a duty day is defined as. Being such I am wanting to know what the definition and the official start to the duty day is. Please help with knowledgeable answer.
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Duty day starts when the Commander tells a Soldier to be someplace. It ends when the Commander says the Soldier can go home. Sometimes this means 30 hour duty day. Sometimes a 30 minute duty day.
There is no "standard" duty day, however in a normal garrison environment, with no training exercises and no 24 hour duty, it will usually be somewhere around 6 Am to 5 PM, including PT.
But that is ALWAYS subject to change due to.mission requirements.
There is no "standard" duty day, however in a normal garrison environment, with no training exercises and no 24 hour duty, it will usually be somewhere around 6 Am to 5 PM, including PT.
But that is ALWAYS subject to change due to.mission requirements.
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TSgt Chris Cc
LTC Jason Mackay So not quite accurate about the FAA. I’ve been an Air Traffic Controller for 20+ years. Currently employed by the government as an Air Traffic Controller. Probably 95% of my friends and associates are controllers. With that, the FAA controllers duty only consist of air traffic. There is no mandatory inspection, dental/medical appt, PT, or Commander Calls. So your shift and duty are one and the same.
Now enter the military controller, where all those things starts your duty day, but does not relate to safe operations of aircraft.
The intent of crew rest and mandating maximum hours of work is to have to most alert and ready individual controller traffic. Mental fatigue has cause numerous air traffic incidents and is a big deal. Having someone attend PT at 6 in the morning to then turn around and work an 8 to 10 hour swing shift does not meet the intent.
Now enter the military controller, where all those things starts your duty day, but does not relate to safe operations of aircraft.
The intent of crew rest and mandating maximum hours of work is to have to most alert and ready individual controller traffic. Mental fatigue has cause numerous air traffic incidents and is a big deal. Having someone attend PT at 6 in the morning to then turn around and work an 8 to 10 hour swing shift does not meet the intent.
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TSgt Chris Cc
TSgt Chris Cc not sure how to edit things on this but should read, “...and ready individual CONTROLLING traffic.”
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LTC Jason Mackay
TSgt Chris Cc - I'm just reading the regulation the soldier cited. That's how I'd interpret it. If the Army meant something else they'd write it. They wouldn't mix shift and duty day and they'd quantify other duties assigned.
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SFC Casey O'Mally
(Join to see) After reading the comments and the reg cited, I stand by my statement. The duty day starts and ends when the Commander says it does.Even for ATCs, which your post mentioned absolutely nothing about, by the way.
In your case, it is up to your Commander to understand, interpret, and apply the reg. If you feel (s)he is not complying, bring it to your NCOs for clarification and, if necessary, escalation.
In your case, it is up to your Commander to understand, interpret, and apply the reg. If you feel (s)he is not complying, bring it to your NCOs for clarification and, if necessary, escalation.
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It's not an hourly job. The pay charts reflect your monthly basic pay. 24/7/365.
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Air Traffic Controllers in the army are put in an awkward position when it comes to this. I came across this issue when I was a platoon SGT and after referencing the 95-2 and FAA safety advisors we agreed that PT does count as part as the duty day since it it mandatory. Since Airspace Safety is of the most importance when is come to a controllers job we need to ensure our controllers are getting appropriate rest and conform to Federal law.
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