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My leadership is one that keep threatening punishment to get things done. I look at the entire thing as I want my troops to do something for me why not show them what I am willing to do for them if they do what I need.
I had a troop that I told one time that if they earned a 270 or above on their APFT that I would put them in them in for an ARCOM. 6 of my troops passed with a 270 or above in my old unit.
My new unit is telling all of my troops that if they fail a second Record APFT that they will code them UnSat for the one period. (This is legal) I feel that this is bringing my troops down and not bringing them up.
Am I on the right track or do you feel that we should just keep threatening punishment or am I going about this the right way and try to motivate my troops?
I had a troop that I told one time that if they earned a 270 or above on their APFT that I would put them in them in for an ARCOM. 6 of my troops passed with a 270 or above in my old unit.
My new unit is telling all of my troops that if they fail a second Record APFT that they will code them UnSat for the one period. (This is legal) I feel that this is bringing my troops down and not bringing them up.
Am I on the right track or do you feel that we should just keep threatening punishment or am I going about this the right way and try to motivate my troops?
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Praise, reward and only punish as a last resort. When you praise, YOU pRAISE PEOPLE UP.
Few undersatnd what it means to be a leader who rasies the standard.
You have to also punish failure.
Just ask yourself which team would you want to be on.
People are resistant to praising their people but that is because the belief you cant be firm and fair at the same time. Be dynamic and give awards just not for passing or playing a video game. Awards cost what, we have different levels for a reason.
Few undersatnd what it means to be a leader who rasies the standard.
You have to also punish failure.
Just ask yourself which team would you want to be on.
People are resistant to praising their people but that is because the belief you cant be firm and fair at the same time. Be dynamic and give awards just not for passing or playing a video game. Awards cost what, we have different levels for a reason.
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SFC(P) Tobias M.
MAJ (Join to see) I understand what you are saying. What my biggest problem is here we have our higher leadership that only want to take away pay or make people scared to do the wrong thing. I want people to fail every once in a while to show them how that feels and what to do to fix it in the future. Fear is not a good motivator in my eyes.
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Your are very right, your higher chain sounds toxic, you don't say that because it would be disloyal. I will say it they get off on buring people, so morale is dieing. You can only effect your piece of pie. What I am about to say goes against my rule which is not to let your boss look like the bad guy. But in this case it is probably to late as it sounds your leadership either recents and disrespects your Soldiers.
Tell you guys you will put them in for an award and if it gets disapproved you have at least showed that someone cares. The worst is you will be told no but that should never stop you from trying. You ask the question in the right direction.
Tell you guys you will put them in for an award and if it gets disapproved you have at least showed that someone cares. The worst is you will be told no but that should never stop you from trying. You ask the question in the right direction.
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My career has had a long and winding path in AC and RC. In the past 5-10 years, I've seen too many impatient, toxic leaders who've risen quickly on the mantra: "the beatings will continue until performance improves...to hell with morale." Their glowing performance reviews never reflecting the destruction of units they've driven into the ground to achieve rapid success.
I told my Solders from the beginning that I expect excellence...not perfection. Perfection is very difficult to achieve and impossible to maintain given the time and resources we have available. Excellence however is a continuous process of self-improvement through increased effectiveness and efficiency through learning. Excellence recognizes that the closer we get to perfection, the more time, energy, and resources we must expend to achieve diminishing returns. Just do the best you can today and do a little better tomorrow.
I seek to inspire my Soldiers to perform at their best by expecting the best and exploring ways that they have within their own power to achieve success. I also seek to underwrite honest mistakes in the process of doing the right things: achieve the mission and look out for each other. The important thing is to learn from the mistakes (even if they have to make the same mistake a few times before they "get it"). I expect my subordinate leaders to do the same.
Try to find the best in every Soldier -- even the "Dirt Bags," because at some point, they all volunteered for this -- and they are adults. There is always something beneficial they are good at or they like to do. We start from there and build with positive, realistic reinforcement. I've found that it's often the NEGATIVE reinforcement that helps to "grow" the "dirt bags" into decent Soldiers who contribute to the team.
Of course, it does not always work, at which point I prefer to allow the NCOs to deal with matters -- appropriately -- without NJP.
I tend to view NJP as a failure in leadership. I'm not the best leader by any stretch, but with three Company-level command tours under my belt, we've been able to accomplish the mission, exceed standards, and I can count on a single hand the number of NJP cases I've administered.
I told my Solders from the beginning that I expect excellence...not perfection. Perfection is very difficult to achieve and impossible to maintain given the time and resources we have available. Excellence however is a continuous process of self-improvement through increased effectiveness and efficiency through learning. Excellence recognizes that the closer we get to perfection, the more time, energy, and resources we must expend to achieve diminishing returns. Just do the best you can today and do a little better tomorrow.
I seek to inspire my Soldiers to perform at their best by expecting the best and exploring ways that they have within their own power to achieve success. I also seek to underwrite honest mistakes in the process of doing the right things: achieve the mission and look out for each other. The important thing is to learn from the mistakes (even if they have to make the same mistake a few times before they "get it"). I expect my subordinate leaders to do the same.
Try to find the best in every Soldier -- even the "Dirt Bags," because at some point, they all volunteered for this -- and they are adults. There is always something beneficial they are good at or they like to do. We start from there and build with positive, realistic reinforcement. I've found that it's often the NEGATIVE reinforcement that helps to "grow" the "dirt bags" into decent Soldiers who contribute to the team.
Of course, it does not always work, at which point I prefer to allow the NCOs to deal with matters -- appropriately -- without NJP.
I tend to view NJP as a failure in leadership. I'm not the best leader by any stretch, but with three Company-level command tours under my belt, we've been able to accomplish the mission, exceed standards, and I can count on a single hand the number of NJP cases I've administered.
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SFC(P) Tobias M., I haven't read the other replies to your thread, so I'm pretty sure someone has already said this ... still, you offered an ARCOM for scoring a 270 on the APFT? I'm blown away by that. I think it might be appropriate to allow those who score over 270 to do PT on their own on certain days, after showing up for formation. I've seen something like that work, but an ARCOM? That's over the top IMHO.
I do agree with you, though, that positive motivation probably works better than the threat of punishment.
I do agree with you, though, that positive motivation probably works better than the threat of punishment.
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SFC(P) Tobias M.
CW5 (Join to see) Yes I do put them in for an ARCOM due to the fact that we are only there one weekend a month two weeks a year. I do put more into the ARCOM then just the PT score. I always try for the higher award due to knowing that it is going to be down graded.
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