Posted on May 9, 2020
Can a Commander remove APFT failure flag without the SM retaking the APFT?
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So I failed my PT test back in the end of January before all of this COVID stuff happened and because of the FRAGO order I was not able to take my PT test on the 90th day which would have been april 29th... I was told eariler this week I will be taking a PT test on the 13th of may and i was also informed that they would be removing my flag and I was informed that the paper work was already submitted to the S-1 but there was no counseling notifying me that it was going to be removed and also no PT test as a supporting document, I looked through the regs and these are against the regs because it states in AR 600-8-2 in section 2-9 subection 17. ARMY PHYSCIAL FITNESS TEST: Removing the flag on the date the soldier passes the record APFT.
and when I asked about it, they stated eveything was at commanders discrestion including the FRAGO that was giving guidance on APFT and it states that flagged soldiers can REQUEST to take a record. and there are unflagged soliders taking the APFT on the same day and me and I am justing wondering how do I go about this because I am afraid of the possibilty of me failing the PT test and i am also concerned about all of this that they are pulling. I am just wondering someone else's take on the situation. Also I have been doing PT during the quaratine but there is always that self doubt?
and when I asked about it, they stated eveything was at commanders discrestion including the FRAGO that was giving guidance on APFT and it states that flagged soldiers can REQUEST to take a record. and there are unflagged soliders taking the APFT on the same day and me and I am justing wondering how do I go about this because I am afraid of the possibilty of me failing the PT test and i am also concerned about all of this that they are pulling. I am just wondering someone else's take on the situation. Also I have been doing PT during the quaratine but there is always that self doubt?
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CDR'S can pretty much do what they want. Count your blessings, keep exercising, keep your head up and Rick that next APFT. You got this. Stop doubting yourself. You are better than you think.
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PFC (Join to see) seems like there must be an ALARACT that came out for situations during this pandemic. I'm sure the CDR's bases have all been covered. Not sure why you are complaining about your flagged being dropped.
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Because my company is toxic and will kick people out and do sketchy things to do so. SFC (Join to see)
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As SFC (Join to see) stated in another way, "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth." You are a PRIVATE FIRST CLASS and your commander, I presume, is at least a CAPTAIN. Salute smartly, respond "YES SIR/Ma'am" and continue mission.
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PFC (Join to see) they don't just kick people put for the heck of it. They kick out under performers.
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According to the FRAGO, an APFT can be requested by a flagged SM iot lift the flag.
No counseling is required when a flag is lifted.
No counseling is required when a flag is lifted.
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You know it is really a huge mistake to approach issues like this one as a Barracks Lawyer attempting to interpret Army Regs and question procedures. This is a relatively minor issue that is easily fixed with a conversation or two. It is a mistake to attempt to escalate it (if this was a larger issue it might make more sense to escalate). APFT pass/fail is pretty minor. So my advice is just go and talk to your PSG, 1SG or CO and see what it is going to take on your part to straighten this out and remove the flag. The approach of trying to be a legal expert on Army Regs will tick off those in charge of removing your flag (because their hands are tied in applying the flag) and could lead to them digging in their heels on other issues against you to teach you a lesson on who is boss. So just do a mea culpa here and try to work this out with a few mature conversations. Try that route first.....it pays far more dividends. A little humble pie could also get you promoted faster.
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