Posted on Feb 19, 2014
Disrespect for the fallen in the Military...opinions?
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Surely most of you have seen online and in the news, people from different branches of the military posting disgraceful comments and photos on the internet. One photo of a group of Airmen posing humorously around an open casket with another airman pretending to be dead inside it, another similar photo with soldiers, instead, and a third photo of a female complaining online about how cold it is outside during their funeral detail, saying somebody's getting a jacked up flag. There's still more I could list. And the worst part...there are NCOs posing in those pictures.
These people make me sick. What are your opinions?
These people make me sick. What are your opinions?
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After 27 years in uniform, you'd think it would be impossible for a Soldier (or Sailor, or Airman, or Marine) to surprise me with their innovative ways to screw up. Once again, they have managed to astound me. This recent rash of incidences concerning funerals and disrespect to fallen/MIA crosses the line into complete insanity. The actions of these individuals is obscene and should be punished to the fullest extent allowed by the Uniform Code of Military Justice!
The most unfortunate part of all of these incidences is the fact that social media allows our embarrasment to spread across the entire planet. Ten years ago an idiot's actions could at least be kept local.
Oh, and as for the NCOs in the picture, figure out a way to make them Privates as quickly as possible while we process them for a Dishonorable Discharge. They are not leaders and I don't want them in our military!
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SPC Sven Pacot
Much agreed, CPT M. I could not have said it better. This is disgraceful, dishonorable and just plain sickening.
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PFC (Join to see)
You pretty much channeled everybody's opinion on this in one post, sir. These people (should) have known what right looks like, and even if they didn't, common sense would tell you to never film/photograph yourself doing the wrong thing.
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In reference to the NG soldiers standing around and posing in various styles and positions around a mock casket I do not thing their intent was to disgrace themselves, the service or the fallen. I believe those soldiers had a moment of stupidity and bad judgement, and I am wondering if they had an NCO present that could have said, "Hey I know we are serious about our job but this may be percieved as being disprespect so lets not do this".
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Everyone in that photo should get the book thrown at them for whatever violation of the UCMJ they can put it under. Absolutely disrespectful to all members of the Armed Forces as well as those that have gave the ultimate sacrifice and their families. It makes all of us look bad. The actions of those few have negative effects on each and every one of us. Absolutely disgusted by it myself.
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SSG (Join to see)
The UCMJ does not apply to those soldiers. The UCMJ only applies to National Guard soldiers if they are activated federally on Title 10 orders. These soldiers were on Title 32 and therefore only fall under whatever Code of Military Justice they have in their state.
I also find it slightly confusing that we all think our soldiers are incapable of doing such things, such as they did when disrespecting our flag. Yet we have soldiers who murder, rape, molest, domestically abuse, and all sorts of other heinous crimes daily.
And while I was extremely upset and maddened to see such blatant disrespect for our fallen service members and our flag, the crimes listed above sadden me even more.
On a side note, I believe it has been reported that the female who posted the pictures and her Senior NCO who defended her have been dismissed from the Wisconsin Honor Guard program permanently. I have not heard about any other actions though I am sure they'll be reduced in rank.
I also find it slightly confusing that we all think our soldiers are incapable of doing such things, such as they did when disrespecting our flag. Yet we have soldiers who murder, rape, molest, domestically abuse, and all sorts of other heinous crimes daily.
And while I was extremely upset and maddened to see such blatant disrespect for our fallen service members and our flag, the crimes listed above sadden me even more.
On a side note, I believe it has been reported that the female who posted the pictures and her Senior NCO who defended her have been dismissed from the Wisconsin Honor Guard program permanently. I have not heard about any other actions though I am sure they'll be reduced in rank.
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SSG (Join to see)
"In the Army National Guard, YOU CAN!! Maybe that's why they think its acceptable? yea yea, I am jk
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SSG Slover,
I actually didn't know that. That's even more saddening, because whatever state they're in, might not be as strict and punishing as the UCMJ. Like they'll get away easier off, or something.
(But that's speculating with zero knowledge of what each state can actually do to them.)
You have a good point, though, about everybody thinking soldiers are incapable of going astray. I guess with everything we're taught and the values that are beat into our heads from basic on up, we just expect everybody to do the right thing.
But of course, just like the reason we get Safety Briefings every Friday even though everyone knows what will be said, somebody is out there fucking it up for all of us. (Excuse my french.)
Now the media and civilians believe that we don't take Funerals and our dead seriously, and that we're all like the Guard or Reserve. (Sorry if anyone is Guard or Reserve in here) Let these offenders spend one week in Active duty, they'll go home with their tail between their legs by the time the week is out!
I actually didn't know that. That's even more saddening, because whatever state they're in, might not be as strict and punishing as the UCMJ. Like they'll get away easier off, or something.
(But that's speculating with zero knowledge of what each state can actually do to them.)
You have a good point, though, about everybody thinking soldiers are incapable of going astray. I guess with everything we're taught and the values that are beat into our heads from basic on up, we just expect everybody to do the right thing.
But of course, just like the reason we get Safety Briefings every Friday even though everyone knows what will be said, somebody is out there fucking it up for all of us. (Excuse my french.)
Now the media and civilians believe that we don't take Funerals and our dead seriously, and that we're all like the Guard or Reserve. (Sorry if anyone is Guard or Reserve in here) Let these offenders spend one week in Active duty, they'll go home with their tail between their legs by the time the week is out!
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SSG Zachery Mitchell
SSG Slover,
I did not know that. Regardless I hope they are held accountable for their actions and punished to the full extent.
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