Posted on Aug 13, 2020
Does a change of command inventory negate current subhand receipts (DA 2062) once current CDR transfers over inventory to incoming CDR?
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Assuming everything is accounted, specifically for TPE in a deployed setting. Thanks
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Logistics (S4)
Supply Sergeant (S4)
Change of Command
SupplyInventory Specialist
Logistics (S4) Supply Sergeant (S4) Change of Command SupplyInventory Specialist
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It has been my experience that right as the new commander signs, the Sub Hand Reciept holders sign their new sub hand receipt in PBUSE, now GCSS-A, has this all configured so no equipment is left on the Commander's Hand receipt, except may be his desk. This reflects the CoC inventory results and their may be some MFR describing the open FLIPLs to resolve shortages or other elements of mitigation and relief at the time the PHR changed hands.
Ways to ensure you are properly accounting for property and executing your responsibility and accountability:
- everything is subhand reciepted away from you. Encourage the hand receipt holders to HR to the user level.
- ensure that there is a system to secure the property, including key control
- do your 10% inventories, on the training calendar, flesh to metal. Don't delegate it.
- conduct field recovery and identify losses and shortages. Seek relief/mitigation
- if there are items you were told "don't order those" obtain a MFR stating this. This is especially helpful when SCs change.
- ensure your SI inventories are done and make a DA6 for it to ensure the same disinterested parties don't do it back to back.
Ways to ensure you are properly accounting for property and executing your responsibility and accountability:
- everything is subhand reciepted away from you. Encourage the hand receipt holders to HR to the user level.
- ensure that there is a system to secure the property, including key control
- do your 10% inventories, on the training calendar, flesh to metal. Don't delegate it.
- conduct field recovery and identify losses and shortages. Seek relief/mitigation
- if there are items you were told "don't order those" obtain a MFR stating this. This is especially helpful when SCs change.
- ensure your SI inventories are done and make a DA6 for it to ensure the same disinterested parties don't do it back to back.
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Sir,
If I may expand on one of your points. DA PAM 710-2-1 directs that property is issued from the commander to the supervisor to the user.
If I may expand on one of your points. DA PAM 710-2-1 directs that property is issued from the commander to the supervisor to the user.
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No. As long as they’re current, they remain good.
First, there is no such animal as a “Change of Command” inventory. It’s now a Change if Primary Hand Receipt Holder inventory.
Second, sub hand receipts are good for six months from the first change document posted. Ideally, the sub hand receipts will all be updated and resigned (clean copies) just prior to the change of PHRH inventory. This tends to make the PHRH inventory much easier to complete (and, in the Reserves, eliminates the need to physically inventory that property).
First, there is no such animal as a “Change of Command” inventory. It’s now a Change if Primary Hand Receipt Holder inventory.
Second, sub hand receipts are good for six months from the first change document posted. Ideally, the sub hand receipts will all be updated and resigned (clean copies) just prior to the change of PHRH inventory. This tends to make the PHRH inventory much easier to complete (and, in the Reserves, eliminates the need to physically inventory that property).
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Thanks for the clarification Chief, still learning the supply realm. I don’t get much practice in the rear. Clean copy as in, a blank slate of the list of equipment for incoming user to verify and sign?
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CW4 Guy Butler
CPT (Join to see) Clean copy as in the equipment listed on the sub hand receipt is only (and all) the equipment that’s actually there - and the next column ready to sign.
A five month old sub hand receipt can have a stack of change documents listing equipment that’s been added or removed from the sub hand receipt. Component lists can be nightmarish, especially if the set, kit, or outfit has been completely reworked. The changes will all be legitimate - divestiture turn-in’s, lateral transfers, new equipment fieldings, cross-leveling, depot evacs, etc., but it can make cross-referencing sub HRs to the PHR a royal pain in the butt if the signed copies don’t match the system records.
A five month old sub hand receipt can have a stack of change documents listing equipment that’s been added or removed from the sub hand receipt. Component lists can be nightmarish, especially if the set, kit, or outfit has been completely reworked. The changes will all be legitimate - divestiture turn-in’s, lateral transfers, new equipment fieldings, cross-leveling, depot evacs, etc., but it can make cross-referencing sub HRs to the PHR a royal pain in the butt if the signed copies don’t match the system records.
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You have to create new Sub hand receipts because GCSS-A and even with PBUSE the hand receipts will have the new commander name. And also the responsible change so new hand receipts need to be generate
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CW4 Guy Butler
1SG (Join to see) Except the subject is DA Form 2062s - manual HRs. Sub hand receipt holder resigns the next column and done. No need to re-make the wheel if they’re current.
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A new 2062 will need to be issued because the new commander is now signed for everything. The sub-hand receipt holder will need to 2062 the specific stuff to the holder following the inventories
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