Posted on Nov 18, 2020
Does SMP time count towards Active Duty time for the purpose of receiving O1E pay?
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My years of service are accounted for, so I was receiving the maximum pay for O1 and O2. I enlisted in 2010 into the National Guard and became SMP in 2015. I commissioned in 2018. I have already completed my 1506, and I almost 3 years and 3 months of time with that. If that counts towards active time, accounting for Drill Dates, Annual Trainings, Initial Entry Training, and State Emergency Activations, I should have enough time to reach the 4 year plus 1 day mark.
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No it does not, only time served on active duty for ATs or activations, deployments or ADOS count towards O1E
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I know, it sucks, but you are really not losing that much money if you are only serving in drilling status. You will already top out the pay grade as is, and as long as you promote on time you wont fall far behind $$$. The "E" benefit sort of goes away at CPT.
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If you are asking what counts toward retirement time, it is only Active Duty days, which would include IET, AT's and full time schools and any duty on Title 32/Title 10 orders. You do not get credit for Drill days or state active duty that isn't Title 32. So if you got activated to fight forest fires, that won't count as active duty days for regular retirement.
To confuse you even more, your National Guard Retirement Points do count for Retirement Pay. You get one days credit for every point. So you divide your points by 365 and that is the additional years you will get credit for towards retirement pay.
I don't know how well the Guard personnel systems and the Army's match anymore, in my day, not at all. I would make sure that my NGB22 (the Guard DD214) and my NGB23 Retirement Point Accounting are in my personnel records. If you aren't keeping copies of your orders and paperwork, you need to start.
To confuse you even more, your National Guard Retirement Points do count for Retirement Pay. You get one days credit for every point. So you divide your points by 365 and that is the additional years you will get credit for towards retirement pay.
I don't know how well the Guard personnel systems and the Army's match anymore, in my day, not at all. I would make sure that my NGB22 (the Guard DD214) and my NGB23 Retirement Point Accounting are in my personnel records. If you aren't keeping copies of your orders and paperwork, you need to start.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
If you are asking does SMP time count towards Time in Service, the answer is yes. It counts just like your regular National Guard or Reserve time.
https://dmna.ny.gov/arng/ocs/arng_commguide_rotc.pdf
https://dmna.ny.gov/arng/ocs/arng_commguide_rotc.pdf
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CPT Lawrence Cable
I see I may have missed the real question. You are trying to find out if you have enough reserve time to qualify for O1E? What counts is basically the same as retirement time. This is the rules on O1/O2 and O3E.
1. General. Commissioned officers with over 4 years of prior active
service as an enlisted member, warrant officer, or combined service in both grades are entitled to
count such service for purposes of computing basic pay for longevity purposes. Such prior
service includes all active service, in either the Regular or Reserve Component or both (i.e.,
active duty for training in enlisted or warrant officer status, annual Reserve training duty, and
full-time National Guard duty). Service on active duty or active and inactive duty for training
for at least 4 years and 1 day satisfies the over 4 years of service requirement under this section.
1. General. Commissioned officers with over 4 years of prior active
service as an enlisted member, warrant officer, or combined service in both grades are entitled to
count such service for purposes of computing basic pay for longevity purposes. Such prior
service includes all active service, in either the Regular or Reserve Component or both (i.e.,
active duty for training in enlisted or warrant officer status, annual Reserve training duty, and
full-time National Guard duty). Service on active duty or active and inactive duty for training
for at least 4 years and 1 day satisfies the over 4 years of service requirement under this section.
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CW5 Jack Gaudet
If you are going for AD retirement, NG points (IDT) come into play after you reach the retirement time not before. So if you had six years NG reserve time and you reach 20 years AD time, the NG time would give you 21 years for retirement pay. 19 years plus the NG time does not give you 20 years.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
CW5 Jack Gaudet - You still get credit of any title 32/title 10 active duty time towards an Active Duty Retirement. Even before the regular deployments, it's not hard to rack up a couple of years at IET, other Active Duty Schools and any ADOS. You are correct about the Points, they are good for pay only as stated above.
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