Posted on May 1, 2021
Is there anything governing OCONUS PCS living conditions for our guys?
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Hey all, looking to see if there is anything governing OCONUS PCS living conditions. I understand the suck of deployments, TCS, TDY, but are there requirements for PCS? We've got guys living on top of each other in tents, and questions are being raised. Thanks in advance.
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SSG (Join to see) you're forward deployed. It is what it is. This is exactly why certain tours are dependent restricted
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SSG (Join to see) having left there just recently, PSAB is a forward deployed location controlled by the USAF under Expeditionary standards being granted a footprint of ground by the Saudi government. The space you have is all that there is to give. There are plans to expand as time goes on, but the beast of PSAB is what you face right now. I can tell you that AF personnel in A and B blocks are also stacked heavy in those tents they have.
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I do not understand what a PCS would have to do with this?
Are you out of barracks space, and just got a bunch of new Soldiers in? IF that is the case, it isn't about PCS, it is about barracks space. Your Command should be authorizing Single Soldiers to move out of the barracks and authorizing BAH/OHA at the Single Soldier rate.
Are these folks who have cleared housing and are on their way out? If that is the case, they should be in a hotel for a couple of days and then on a plane. And getting travel pay to pay for the hotel.
Are these folks who have just arrived and not yet found a place to live? If that is the case, they should be in a hotel and getting TLA for up to 10 days to find a place to live. It is incumbent upon THEM to find a place within that 10 days. If they fail to do so for extraordinary reasons, they can file for an extension.
How is it, then, that PCS is causing Soldiers to live "on top of each other in tents?"
Are you out of barracks space, and just got a bunch of new Soldiers in? IF that is the case, it isn't about PCS, it is about barracks space. Your Command should be authorizing Single Soldiers to move out of the barracks and authorizing BAH/OHA at the Single Soldier rate.
Are these folks who have cleared housing and are on their way out? If that is the case, they should be in a hotel for a couple of days and then on a plane. And getting travel pay to pay for the hotel.
Are these folks who have just arrived and not yet found a place to live? If that is the case, they should be in a hotel and getting TLA for up to 10 days to find a place to live. It is incumbent upon THEM to find a place within that 10 days. If they fail to do so for extraordinary reasons, they can file for an extension.
How is it, then, that PCS is causing Soldiers to live "on top of each other in tents?"
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CSM Charles Hayden
16 month tours of Korea in 1954/55 to include Camp Casey was mostly tent city. We did get two, 7 day R & Rs to Japan where we actually had a real roof over our head for a change. The Army hadn’t learned about burning outhouse output. The Engineers simply dug a big, new hole and slid the outhouse over it’s new location.
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SSG (Join to see) - I don't know about space minimums but I do know some NCO's got in trouble for sectioning off extra space for themselves and reducing the living space of the lower enlisted in KU. Royally pissed off a 1SG and CSM when they found out.
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SP5 Peter Keane Oh, I didn't realize that was a thing. Thanks for your service, I'm sure there was no fun in that.
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SFC Casey O'Mally
SSG (Join to see) - I see. This is a PCS in name only. It is a deployment, plain and simple. On Hardship tours you have no guarantees.
Saudi Arabia currently qualifies for the same hardship duty pay that Afghanistan and Iraq do - and twice what Kuwait does. You are being paid that BECAUSE IT IS A HARDSHIP. Bitching that it is hard when you are being paid for it being hard is kinda silly, no?
Saudi Arabia currently qualifies for the same hardship duty pay that Afghanistan and Iraq do - and twice what Kuwait does. You are being paid that BECAUSE IT IS A HARDSHIP. Bitching that it is hard when you are being paid for it being hard is kinda silly, no?
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I know in the CENTCOM AO they limited top bunk sleeping due to COVID. Soldiers were encouraged to put sheets up around their sleeping space and only one Soldier per sleeping area to reduce any risks of living in a bay or tent. That was more of a commander's or post policy though.
Watched the Civilian staff chew out some NCO's for trying to have their Soldiers sleep two to a bunk bed because they wanted all their guys in the same bay. Understandable, but there was more than enough space to accommodate the policy.
Watched the Civilian staff chew out some NCO's for trying to have their Soldiers sleep two to a bunk bed because they wanted all their guys in the same bay. Understandable, but there was more than enough space to accommodate the policy.
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