Posted on Jun 10, 2021
Can an NCO force a soldier to go against their profile?
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So, in the past I've witnessed NCOs order a soldiers to go against the limitations of their profile, when the soldier has failed to carry a copy of their profile with them to PT. What is everyone's opinion and or experience with this issue? Is that something an NCO can do?
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How can the NCO know the profile limitations if they aren't given proof? It's not as if a Soldier never lied or exaggerated the limits of their profile to get out of PT.
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If the Soldier doesn't have a copy of the profile on them, then there is no profile to go against. Learning lesson for the Soldier to start carrying it on them.
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1SG Rick Seekman
That's when you send the soldier to obtain said profile.
If a soldier had a profile, a copy of that would be on file at the orderly room.
If a soldier had a profile, a copy of that would be on file at the orderly room.
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You could, but I would think it foolish if done zealously or continuously. It's potentially a complaint and inquiry on standby if you're wrong and handle it incorrectly.
Given a scenario where a Soldier of mine were to tell me they were on profile and did not have the profile ready for examination I would abide by the limits of what they told me their profile is. Then when we report for work that day I would ask to see the profile.
If there wasn't a profile, or the profile didn't actually limit what they said they would then be counseled for lying. Whether the counseling stayed verbal or I prepared 4856 depends on the conversation I was about to have and the history I have with that Soldier. The lie might reveal a deeper issue that needs mentorship, or it may just be a lie to get out of PT.
In my experience I have seen Soldiers lie about a profile. I have also seen Soldiers tell the truth and just not have it on them. I have also seen a Soldier get injured further because their leadership forced them to do PT despite the profile, didn't work out so well for them when BDE found out.
Given a scenario where a Soldier of mine were to tell me they were on profile and did not have the profile ready for examination I would abide by the limits of what they told me their profile is. Then when we report for work that day I would ask to see the profile.
If there wasn't a profile, or the profile didn't actually limit what they said they would then be counseled for lying. Whether the counseling stayed verbal or I prepared 4856 depends on the conversation I was about to have and the history I have with that Soldier. The lie might reveal a deeper issue that needs mentorship, or it may just be a lie to get out of PT.
In my experience I have seen Soldiers lie about a profile. I have also seen Soldiers tell the truth and just not have it on them. I have also seen a Soldier get injured further because their leadership forced them to do PT despite the profile, didn't work out so well for them when BDE found out.
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SFC Stephen H. - That's a fair point. If I don't have a copy in their development file then they should be carrying a copy on them.
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