Posted on Jan 5, 2022
SPC Tim K
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Anyone got any stories of how a promotion was unjustly delayed for whatever reason? I had kind of a rough start adapting to the ways of the Army, so I ended up going from E-1 to E-2 a month late, but I got my PFC right on time. Things had smoothed out by then in my day to day Army life.

Then, a year later, things had been going very well in my platoon / squad / team, and getting E-4 on time would have been no problem at all. Then... I got orders for Korea, arriving there just a month or so before my 26 month E-4 eligibility. There were issues on both sides. My chain of command was all like "Well, we've got to wait a while and see how you do first", then aside from that, I did have some rather severe personality conflicts with several people in my immediate area of operations. Then after that, too many E3-E6 people in my company really drank the proverbial Kool-Aid and were all full of themselves and all HOO-AH and overly excited about being so close to North Korea (I was in Camp Hovey, north of Seoul). So the deck was really stacked against me, never mind the fact that I was doing my job as well there as at my previous USA duty station. I was never the type to go out getting drunk all the time with them, but I was fine with being the outsider if it meant that drinking was the only way to be accepted in the group. I eventually got my E-4 6 months overdue, but only because it came through on my LES statement, then my local NCOs kind of begrudgingly agreed to it and just said "go pin on your rank, grumble grumble". Well, for the way they treated me, and considering they knew nothing of my good performance at the previous duty station, I didn't feel I needed their approval. I was disappointed about not getting my promotion ceremony of standing up in front of the company to get E-4 pinned on. The only promotion I had that was done right was E-2 to E-3.
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SFC Ralph E Kelley
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No but I made PFC twice - does that count?
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SGT David Schrader
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Small world. Me too. PFC, SPEC 4 back to PFC than SPEC 4 again. Grew up a bit and made Sgt. I was never promised a promotion to any pay grade. Promotions should be earned.
Time in grade, available slots, evaluations and leadership courses will help a lot.
Probably not what you wanted to hear. I’m not sure how the system works nowadays. I’ve been out for over 20 years.
Someone please correct me if I am wrong
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SFC Ralph E Kelley
SFC Ralph E Kelley
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SGT David Schrader - I won't correct you. It is what it is.
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If you ever get pinned the new rank the very day you become eligible, then you have achieved the near impossible. Now, I won't make excuses for your Leadership but I will say that from E-1 to E-4 it takes the Commander signing approval on the 4187 for your advancement. Just because you hit your TIS/TIG marks for the next grade does not mean you will get pinned those days. If the Commander doesn't sign them until a month later....well, while there is no real excuse for that...it also can't be helped. Now, if the system shows you're getting paid for the next grade, then all the better. Also, I totally understand that you want to get the ceremony in front of the unit, and it's annoying when that doesn't happen. I can say with damn near 100% certainty that when you start making the NCO ranks, you'll get the ceremony in front of the unit.

Again, if the 4187 is signed and processed on time, then it's usually about a month afterwards that you should get pinned. But, being that you're a SPC now, this all becomes water under the bridge and time to move on. What you can do, is take this experience and hold on to it for when you become an NCO and you have troops ready for advancement and now you can become their advocate to ensure they get pinned on time and get that ceremony in front of everyone.
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SFC Michael Hasbun
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I've never been promoted on time. Ever. Orders production generally leads to a 1-3 month wait from announcement to pinning.

From what I've seen, that's not unusual.
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