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So I hate to be that guy asking this question, but asking due to: I was going for the MEB process for injuries I have and was told by my chain of command that it was unlikely I would get my MEB process but my company commander (MAJ) and the company's provided physician (also MAJ) called my PSG telling him to ask me if I wanted to do the chapter process instead (they know since my injury that I've wanted to get out due to my injury not having the chance of me being 100% again) so I could go home, pursue education and a career. Is this Chapter (guessing chapter 5-17 by conditions on which I would be chaptered) a guaranteed thing since both company cdr and company pcm called telling them to ask me or who's in charge of making that decision? Asking so I can prepare for my future civ side, thanks for any and all answers.
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MEBs are initiated by your PCM, 5-17 is an administrative separation. In the first one you are compensated for your injuries, in the second one you are kicked out with nothing. If you're a PFC you won't even earn your GI Bill.
If you are legitimately injured then do not ask your command to chapter you. I can't begin to tell you just how epically stupid that would be and how many hundreds of thousands of dollars you would cost yourself over the rest of your lifetime
If you are legitimately injured then do not ask your command to chapter you. I can't begin to tell you just how epically stupid that would be and how many hundreds of thousands of dollars you would cost yourself over the rest of your lifetime
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SFC Casey O'Mally
PFC (Join to see) The trigger is the permanent profile. If you have been on profile for 9 months, why has your PA not submitted for a permanent? Has it all been for the same problem? Or has it been a series of problems with the same effect (bad knee, before that is healed, ankle goes out, then hip, then the OTHER ankle, then the knee, again.... All meaning no running)?
If you have had the same body part injured for that long, your PA should be pushing a permanent profile. And depending on the severity and limitations, that would trigger the MEB.
But if you are rehabbing, and there is a "fit" future, then there is no reason to MEB. If they are looking at a medical reclass, it means that the docs have already looked at your records and made the decision that you can continue to serve. So you should.
If you have had the same body part injured for that long, your PA should be pushing a permanent profile. And depending on the severity and limitations, that would trigger the MEB.
But if you are rehabbing, and there is a "fit" future, then there is no reason to MEB. If they are looking at a medical reclass, it means that the docs have already looked at your records and made the decision that you can continue to serve. So you should.
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PFC (Join to see) that's because you're an IET Soldier. No IET is going to issue permanent profiles and deal with the hassle of med reclasses or med boards.
Go to the 82nd in your new job. Continue to seek treatment in your new unit. Let them work on a med reclass or med board.
Go to the 82nd in your new job. Continue to seek treatment in your new unit. Let them work on a med reclass or med board.
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MAJ Ronnie Reams
SFC (Join to see) - Not sure about military PAs, but civilian PAs have an MD or DO supervisor. That would be the one to go to, AFAIK.
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If you have physical injuries back, shoulders, ankles etc I don’t believe you will receive a 5-17, so in essence it is not a guarantee. In most cases the MEB is the first step of the medical discharge process. A service member with a medical condition that makes them unfit for duty is referred to the Medical Evaluation Board. The Board reviews their conditions and makes recommendations to the Physical Evaluation Board on which qualify as unfitting.
Definition of a Chapter 5-17
Chapter 5 of the Army Regulations, called Separation for the Convenience of the Government, sets out many administrative discharges, including Chapter 5-17: Other Designated Physical or Mental Conditions. This is comparable to Chapter 5-13: Personality Disorder, but Chapter 5-17 covers conditions that don't meet the medical criteria for "disorder." Examples of conditions that fall under Chapter 5-17 include: chronic airsickness or seasickness, dyslexia, sleepwalking and claustrophobia. The key factor is that the condition causes disturbances, thinking or behavior severe enough to diminish a soldier's ability to carry out his military duties and tasks. Before triggering the Chapter 5-17 separation, the commander must make sure the soldier in question has been sufficiently counseled and offered a chance to be rehabilitated. In some cases, rehabilitation involves changing to a new section or platoon within the same unit or to a new unit entirely. The soldier is advised to consult with an attorney at the beginning of the process and if he opposes the Chapter 5-17 separation, he can put forward a case for consideration before a final decision is made. However, only soldiers with more than six years of active and/or reserve service are entitled to challenge the decision at an Administrative Separation Board.
Soldiers discharged on the grounds of Chapter 5-17 receive an honorable discharge unless there are specific elements of their service record that warrant a general discharge. Soldiers with up to 180 days of active duty service may get an uncharacterized description of service. Soldiers with at least six years of active duty service who have completed their initial period of enlistment may be entitled to separation pay following a Chapter 5-17 separation.
If you have physical injuries back, shoulders, ankles etc I don’t believe you will receive a 5-17, so in essence it is not a guarantee. In most cases the MEB is the first step of the medical discharge process. A service member with a medical condition that makes them unfit for duty is referred to the Medical Evaluation Board. The Board reviews their conditions and makes recommendations to the Physical Evaluation Board on which qualify as unfitting.
Definition of a Chapter 5-17
Chapter 5 of the Army Regulations, called Separation for the Convenience of the Government, sets out many administrative discharges, including Chapter 5-17: Other Designated Physical or Mental Conditions. This is comparable to Chapter 5-13: Personality Disorder, but Chapter 5-17 covers conditions that don't meet the medical criteria for "disorder." Examples of conditions that fall under Chapter 5-17 include: chronic airsickness or seasickness, dyslexia, sleepwalking and claustrophobia. The key factor is that the condition causes disturbances, thinking or behavior severe enough to diminish a soldier's ability to carry out his military duties and tasks. Before triggering the Chapter 5-17 separation, the commander must make sure the soldier in question has been sufficiently counseled and offered a chance to be rehabilitated. In some cases, rehabilitation involves changing to a new section or platoon within the same unit or to a new unit entirely. The soldier is advised to consult with an attorney at the beginning of the process and if he opposes the Chapter 5-17 separation, he can put forward a case for consideration before a final decision is made. However, only soldiers with more than six years of active and/or reserve service are entitled to challenge the decision at an Administrative Separation Board.
Soldiers discharged on the grounds of Chapter 5-17 receive an honorable discharge unless there are specific elements of their service record that warrant a general discharge. Soldiers with up to 180 days of active duty service may get an uncharacterized description of service. Soldiers with at least six years of active duty service who have completed their initial period of enlistment may be entitled to separation pay following a Chapter 5-17 separation.
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MSgt (Join to see) a 5-17 is an administrative separation, you get kicked out of the Army. It's a regular separation, not a medical separation. It's the separation they use when the Soldier complains of chronic pain or injury but the doctor can't find a legitimate injury or reason.
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SFC (Join to see) - I'm guessing this would be the separation I would get considering the doctor SAYS that everything is healed but I FEEL and know I'm no where close to 100% or good to go
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MAJ Ken Landgren
PFC (Join to see) - Do doctors or the commander have the authority to separate you or send you to the MEB.
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MAJ Ken Landgren
I dug this up: How the MEB/PEB is Conducted.
Physical or mental health problems that are incompatible with military duty or that result in disqualification from worldwide deployment for more than 12 months precipitate a Medical Evaluation Board (MEB). Medical boards are initiated by the Medical Treatment Facility (base medical facility), not the individual or the command.
https://www.thebalancecareers.com/military-disability-medical-separations-and-retirements-3356969
Physical or mental health problems that are incompatible with military duty or that result in disqualification from worldwide deployment for more than 12 months precipitate a Medical Evaluation Board (MEB). Medical boards are initiated by the Medical Treatment Facility (base medical facility), not the individual or the command.
https://www.thebalancecareers.com/military-disability-medical-separations-and-retirements-3356969
When a Military Member May Be Retired for Medical Reasons
When a military member has a medical condition (including mental illness), they may be separated (or retired) from the military for medical reasons.
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PFC (Join to see)
MAJ Ken Landgren - So MEB is determined by MTF but the Chapter would be admin separation with authority from my chain of command
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MAJ Ken Landgren
What I read is your doctor has the authority to put you through and MEB. I am making the assumption that going MEB is more advantageous as it hooks you up with the VA for entitlements. Is there a Warrior Transition Unit on post? I am trying my best to give you good advice. You should hunt down the PEBLO at your base. He/she can paint a lot more accurate picture than me. Good luck. Tell me when you have that conversation and what was said. Good luck.
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