Posted on Jul 8, 2015
What is the minimum punishment for failing either a diagnostic APFT and record APFT?
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What is the minimum punishment for failing either a diagnostic APFT and record APFT?
Is your unit allowed to give you two diags back to back (a month apart)? (You failed the first one so they made it a "diag" for you and those that passed it was a record and then you fail the second one and it is also a "diag".
I just feel like there is a lot of favoritism in my unit for a specific (and the only) female. So I am just wondering if they are finding ways around the regs for her and if it is lawful.
Is your unit allowed to give you two diags back to back (a month apart)? (You failed the first one so they made it a "diag" for you and those that passed it was a record and then you fail the second one and it is also a "diag".
I just feel like there is a lot of favoritism in my unit for a specific (and the only) female. So I am just wondering if they are finding ways around the regs for her and if it is lawful.
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If the test was conducted to standard and following proper regulations, I cannot see how if you can 'fail the first one so they may it a "diag" for you..." can be done. The type of test (diagnostic or for-record) must be determined and noted prior to the start of the testing. You can't switch afterwards. (I know I tried...I passed a diagnostic with pretty good marks and wanted to change it to record to avoid taking again a month with the rest of the unit)
Secondly, I want to point out that taking diagnostic tests are not punishments, but tools to determine progress in fitness improvement. If a soldier chooses to think of it as punishment as a way of motivating him or herself to get into shape...more power to them. The "punishment" for inability to pass APFT is flagging from favorable actions and potential removal from service.
Secondly, I want to point out that taking diagnostic tests are not punishments, but tools to determine progress in fitness improvement. If a soldier chooses to think of it as punishment as a way of motivating him or herself to get into shape...more power to them. The "punishment" for inability to pass APFT is flagging from favorable actions and potential removal from service.
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1SG (Join to see)
Fair point Sir. There is still an option of conducting a APFT that not "for record", and most units do this under the guise of diagnosing fitness levels.
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LTC (Join to see)
I was always told that you must declare whether the test is diagnostic or "for record" BEFORE you take the test.
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I got out in 2009 and it had to be determined prior to testing if it was a diag or record. Now do some people tend to keep quiet and turn the other head making records diags? Of course. Is it illegal? Sure it is. Unless the regs changed a lot since my last encounter (in which I'm sure they have), one could not get flagged for a bad diag. They could only be flagged for a record. That is why so many people would switch them up. A dish will give a determination of where you are physically and the unit could give you some remedial pt to get stronger. A record pt test along with height and weight can get you flagged, a bad counseling or evaluation, and just screw you up in so many ways until you correct the issue.
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I got a bar to re-enlist off of one - actually my crime was insulting the CO's favorite football team (I didn't know it at the time), you know in the dayroom on a weekend, the game is on, you make a casual insult of whichever team, and on Monday someone who was there said to the CO "do you know what Jensen said about YOUR team" , at that point it wasn't a push-up unless your chest hit the ground, and as a tall guy with long arms, that's a death sentence
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SFC Brett Dinkelacker
You got hosed. Nowhere in the performance standards does it even address the chest touching the ground. Just that needs to form generally a straight line from elbow to elbow across the back. But a bar to reenlist is a correct action.
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