Posted on Jul 16, 2015
How many veterans are now members of their state defense force (militia)?
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There are a number of states which maintain an official regulated militia. The majority support the state National Guard units and respond to natural disasters. Many have prior service as well as civilians with no prior military service. It is all volunteer, unpaid, unless on official orders. If you serve, where do you serve and what do you do? If you do not serve, does this interest you?
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State Defense Forces are not Constitutional Militia. State Defense Forces are created under the Constitutional provision that States may raise troops with Congress’s consent -- Article 1, Section 10, Clause 3. Constitutional State Militia antedate and are recognized -- not created -- by the Constitution: Article 1, Section 8, Clause 15.
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SPC Elijah J. Henry, MBA - Private Militia and State Militia are not the same. State Militia (often referred to as State Defense Force or State Guard) are Constitutionally legal and codified. The Adjutant General of the State National Guard is the Commander of the State Guard and these forces are controlled by the State Governor through TAG. These forces form a force multiplier in civil defense. State Guard soldiers, when activated for State Active Duty, are under the direct control of the NG force commander and are funded via Title 32. It is always interesting to learn peoples perspective when they do not understand the legal justification of State Guard and the Constitution. State Guard are not federal forces and other than mutual aide during disasters, seldom cross state borders.
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SPC Elijah J. Henry, MBA
1LT (Join to see) - State Defense Forces (including the ones with Militia in their names) are not the same as the Militia of the Constitution.
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SPC Elijah J. Henry, MBA - I believe this may help better:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/article-1/section-8/clause-15-16/the-militia-clauses
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/article-1/section-8/clause-15-16/the-militia-clauses
The states as well as Congress may prescribe penalties for failure to obey the President’s call of the militia. They also have a concurrent power to aid the National Government by calls under their own authority, and in emergencies may use the militia to put down armed insurrection.1784 The Federal Government may call out the militia in case of civil war; its authority to suppress rebellion is found in the power to suppress insurrection and to...
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SPC Elijah J. Henry, MBA
1LT (Join to see) - let's not be patronizing. I've read and studied far more than this blurb on LII reveals, and apparently far more than the author of said blurb is familiar with. I know about SDFs, the National Guard, the Constitutional Militia, and private "Militia." The third and most important of those is not active in any State. The other three are commonly mistaken for it, due to a misunderstanding or ignorance of historical law.
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Though I am not a "Veteran" I am a member of the Virginia Defense Force which is the officially sanctioned constitutionally approved State Defense Force under title 32-119 USC and in Virginia code title 44. The VDF is the legitimate sibling to the Virginia National Guard under the Virginia Dept. of Military Affairs as commanded by the State Adjutant General. We have lots of great people who were in Federal service that come from a wide array of military backgrounds. It's an honor and a pleasure to serve beside them.
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The federal government recognizes state defense forces, as per the Compact Clause of the U.S. Constitution, under 32 U.S.C. § 109 which provides that state defense forces as a whole may not be called, ordered, or drafted into the armed forces of the United States, thus preserving their separation from the National Guard. However, under the same law, individual members serving in the state defense force are not exempt from service in the armed forces (i.e., they are not excluded from the draft). Under 32 USC § 109(e), "A person may not become a member of a defense force if he is a member of a reserve component of the armed forces."
Nearly every state has laws authorizing state defense forces, and twenty-two states, plus the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, have active forces with different levels of activity, support, and strength. State defense forces generally operate with emergency management and homeland security missions. Most SDFs are organized as army units, but air (Puerto Rico) and naval units (Ohio) also exist. Depending on the state, they may be variously named as state military, state military force, state guard, state militia, or state military reserve.
Nearly every state has laws authorizing state defense forces, and twenty-two states, plus the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, have active forces with different levels of activity, support, and strength. State defense forces generally operate with emergency management and homeland security missions. Most SDFs are organized as army units, but air (Puerto Rico) and naval units (Ohio) also exist. Depending on the state, they may be variously named as state military, state military force, state guard, state militia, or state military reserve.
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SFC Randy Hellenbrand
So, are you a treasonous GOP insurrectionist or still a loyal American?? There is no in between.
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Sorry SFC, you are thinking about a "different" group that's not us. I do know who you are thinking of, but that's not us. My unit is an official part of the Virginia Dept. of Military Affairs, which includes the 192nd Fighter wing of the Air National Guard and the Virginia Army National Guard as you can clearly see by accessing this website. We're right there on the front.
https://va.ng.mil/
About 1/2 the states have a State Defense Force and those states are members of the State Guard Association of the United States.
https://va.ng.mil/
About 1/2 the states have a State Defense Force and those states are members of the State Guard Association of the United States.
The official website of the Virginia National Guard
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Might be a long-ish post... but I would encourage you to read this for some insight into State Defense Soldiers and their motivations and intentions.
I am in the Ohio Military Reserve. We work and train along Ohio National Guard troops. We are NOT active duty armed forces and I make a point to never claim that. The LAST thing I wish to do is diminish the importance and sacrifice of those who have served in the federal services.
Having said that, we do play a role on the home front. We are trained and ready to deploy when activated for issues of homeland security and natural/unnatural disaster. In today's environment, we could benefit from more use of our state defense forces. Terrorism is no longer something that happens only overseas or in major American cities. Sadly, it can happen anywhere or anytime. We take an oath of enlistment and are subject to the same rules and regulations of the United States Army.
The best part of the state guard is the opportunity for those to serve that either missed their chance or were medically unable to serve in the federal service. Myself, I work as a teacher; leaving months for basic training, and the possibility of foreign deployment (as much as I want to do) is something that would completely end my career. I take my commitment to my students very seriously. They are six years old, and having a teacher suddenly leave for a deployment would be stressful and could even negatively impact their academics.
I want to do what I can, serve in the capacity I can. Many are thankful for my service, even those with prior service, saying that we all play a part on the same team. Others occasionally look down their nose at me, which is hurtful but understandable, not understanding my motivations. I could be out to steal valor. But that is so far from the truth. My heart is in the right place and that is what matters to me. I get to serve with amazing men and women and learn and grow from the leadership of experienced military veterans and servicemembers in the National Guard. I understand more than ever the comradery that comes with working together for a common cause of country and community.
To those that are unsure what to think of state defense forces, I'd urge you to consider the possibility that such a force can be useful here at home as a supporting force. And remember, active looks down on NG and reserve, marines look down on army, army looks down on AF, and everyone seems to pick on the coast guard. It's the military way lol. But we all unite behind a common cause, doing what we can and what we are best suited to do.
I am in the Ohio Military Reserve. We work and train along Ohio National Guard troops. We are NOT active duty armed forces and I make a point to never claim that. The LAST thing I wish to do is diminish the importance and sacrifice of those who have served in the federal services.
Having said that, we do play a role on the home front. We are trained and ready to deploy when activated for issues of homeland security and natural/unnatural disaster. In today's environment, we could benefit from more use of our state defense forces. Terrorism is no longer something that happens only overseas or in major American cities. Sadly, it can happen anywhere or anytime. We take an oath of enlistment and are subject to the same rules and regulations of the United States Army.
The best part of the state guard is the opportunity for those to serve that either missed their chance or were medically unable to serve in the federal service. Myself, I work as a teacher; leaving months for basic training, and the possibility of foreign deployment (as much as I want to do) is something that would completely end my career. I take my commitment to my students very seriously. They are six years old, and having a teacher suddenly leave for a deployment would be stressful and could even negatively impact their academics.
I want to do what I can, serve in the capacity I can. Many are thankful for my service, even those with prior service, saying that we all play a part on the same team. Others occasionally look down their nose at me, which is hurtful but understandable, not understanding my motivations. I could be out to steal valor. But that is so far from the truth. My heart is in the right place and that is what matters to me. I get to serve with amazing men and women and learn and grow from the leadership of experienced military veterans and servicemembers in the National Guard. I understand more than ever the comradery that comes with working together for a common cause of country and community.
To those that are unsure what to think of state defense forces, I'd urge you to consider the possibility that such a force can be useful here at home as a supporting force. And remember, active looks down on NG and reserve, marines look down on army, army looks down on AF, and everyone seems to pick on the coast guard. It's the military way lol. But we all unite behind a common cause, doing what we can and what we are best suited to do.
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PFC (Join to see) - Inter-service rivalry is a tradition. But let some non-service member make fun of another branch, heated discussions will ensue! And there is nothing wrong with puddle pirates! Marines are bummed that Army receive more 'medal' recognition for doing what Marines just have to do ... 'fight'. Army sees Marines as part of the Department of the Navy (Marines will say 'Men's Department'), and Army thinks the Air Force is a 'corporation' that split from the Army in the 50s!
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SSgt Donnavon Smith - Tower Air was not Air Force and they moved us from home to Saudi Arabia and back again <GRIN>
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