Posted on Jul 26, 2015
SSG Ray Strenkowski
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Cpl Tou Lee Yang
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Some of the "officer" don't even know the law. They only go by their own book of experience. Case in point, I was stopped for going 5 miles over the speed limit. Being from California, my license has expired, however, I got a card from the California DMV that stated if I am still Active Duty my license will not expired. This state trooper wanted to impound my car because according to her my license it is expired and for me to be able to drive I would need a "military license", I was like WTF is she talking about as she just revealed that she knows nothing about the law. I told her I'm not letting her impound my car and that since I'm in Active Duty in the military my license will not expire according to California DMV and pointing to the card.

She insisted that I don't know the law and that I am wrong and she had called the tow truck. I told her I am not getting out of my vehicle until I speak to her supervisor. Her supervisor arrived and I spoke to him and show him my military ID with the card from California and he waved the tow truck away and probably told that female trooper she was stupid.
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SSgt Alex Robinson
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There are laws on the books for a reason but some discresion is appropriate.
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MSgt Brian Welch
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Edited 9 y ago
Sometimes it's the book and sometimes it's the individual officer. I believe "the book" was written primarily with public safety and the officers safety in mind; not that the book can't be revised but I believe it has the right intent. The poorly trained officer or at worst, ill-intended officer will always be a problem until they get weeded out from within. I believe that should be the first focus of law enforcement earning back the trust of the community in areas where that is needed.

I personally had a run in with a poorly trained law enforcement officer. In NJ in 2002 I was jogging the loop around my apartment complex wearing my AF PT gear. I was wearing head phones and didn't hear the officer from behind yell for me to stop. He chased me down and neck-tackled me from behind. Turned out he was first to respond to a fight at a party in one of the units and because I was running away from that apartment. He cuffed me and sat me in his car. He was too hyped up to listen to me explain I was just jogging by; right or wrong I can partially understand that. As his Sergeant questioned me after things settled I pointed out all of the obvious indicators that I was just a by-stander: reflective military PT gear, reflective belt, jogging not running, jogging the roadway when a perp would have fled into the woods.... I suggested he could have simply came into my field of view and given me the chance to stop or flee before taking me down. The Sergeant was less than sympathetic himself. I spoke with the Chief of police the next day and detailed my piece of the situation knowing it wouldn't be in any report. He assured me he would look into it. The moral, I hope the officer was better trained after that and I'm damn glad he didn't resort to shooting. I most disappointed with the Sergeant supporting the action of the officer and that is the piece that should change.
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CSM Charles Hayden
CSM Charles Hayden
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Very kind comments about an example of our untrained policemen. MSgt Brian Welch. LEO trading standards are improving nationally, considering the pay scale for rural area LEOs, problematic actions should be anticipated.
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MSgt Brian Welch
MSgt Brian Welch
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CSM Charles Hayden You know, a situation like that could be viewed/approached various ways. One person in my situation would go into the police office raising hell, wanting answers, threatening a lawsuit and reminding them they work for the tax payer, yada yada. I've been on the learning curve in a trade or two in my life time. I've been given latitude and additional training when I haven't quite measured up. I believe as a responsible citizen we should make the leadership of our police force aware when there are incidence requiring attention and training. I also believe even when they are wrong in their duty we should submit to them until the situation clears; the learning can come in the debrief.
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