Posted on Sep 25, 2015
What do you think of ANG 13BX getting Wings upon graduation from UABMT?
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I was just curious if anyone had any news on the progress being made by our ANG CRC bros to be awarded wings upon graduation of UABMT instead of the Weapons Director badge. Also wanted to see what most people think about this possible change. Thanks!
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13BX: Air Battle Manager
13BX: Air Battle Manager
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I'm at NGB and my boss and I (mostly him) have been very engaged on that issue. He briefed it to the HAF A3 a few months ago with no decision. He is looking to continue the effort by briefing the new HAF A3 as soon as possible. It's the right thing to do for many reasons.
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We are facing problems at our unit (a TACP unit) because of this. In AD units, a 13B can serve as an ALO.....but, because they don't "have their wings", they can't serve in that same capacity in a guard unit, where their service would arguably be more valuable.
They attend the same school, they should leave that school with the same credentials. End of story.
They attend the same school, they should leave that school with the same credentials. End of story.
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Maj (Join to see)
I agree. I feel like the biggest difference the ground guys have from AWACS guys is the amount of coordination we do with different units since we are quite mobile, but a sharp CRC ABM is just as smart on all things you all need as a AWACS ABM. Hopefully the lack of wings stops being a show stopper in the near future.
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So, as retired G1796 and 1741 through 1716, who is getting what badge now? Have they made the career field interchangeable, or is there still a airborne and a ground career track? I wore Officer Non-rated Aircrew Wings and a Air Weapons Controller badge with star and wreath having served in both capacities.
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Maj (Join to see)
These days all the Active guys get ABM wings as well as the reserve AWACS guys and the ANG JSTARS guys. All the ANG CRC controllers get the enlisted WD badge.
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Maj (Join to see)
By the way the career fields are interchangeable. I have a coworker that went JSTARS to CRC and is now AWACS.
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Lt Col Walter Green
Thanks for the information. The interchangeable approach certainly increases career opportunities, but I imagine it creates individual challenges in developing higher levels of proficiency. I am glad I earned both badge and wings - more impressive than just one, but then I never could fit in my Senior Space badge ...
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