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<p>Do we really punish these Soldiers or do we just let them be? I find this appalling and another reason why some women have difficulties being respected. This Soldier here in the pictures was a Soldier of mine when I was a DS for basic training. I don't even recall her speaking. She and I are not friends on Facebook but I saw these and have been upset all day. Am I wrong? If you are going to take pictures like this---- why would you post them publicly on Facebook? </p><p><br></p><p>I edited and removed the pictures because they lacked taste. She was in several photos in her bra, multicams pants, and belly piercing. She was half dressed.</p>
Edited 12 y ago
Posted 12 y ago
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Wait wait wait. The only reason I am responding to this is because of the "Females" tag you chose to use to categorize this post.<br><br>How it this any different than a male servicemember being shirtless with his camo pants on?<div><br></div><div>I dont consider myself to be a feminist, but I think that's a little unfair. If we as a society aren't going to have a hissyfit about a shirtless male in partial uniform, then.....we shouldn't get all huffy about a female doing it. Is a shirtless male being disrespectful if he is in partial uniform?</div><div><br></div><div>Should she have posted the pictures publicly? Prrrrrobably not. I cant understand why anybody would post half nekkid pictures of themselves publicly. </div>
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SFC Vernon McNabb
Whoa, whoa, whoa PO3 (Join to see) ! There is a difference between "naked" and "nekkid". Naked means you ain't got no clothes on. Nekkid, means you ain't go no clothes on, and you up to something! Just thought I should clarify that for the other viewers.
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Something has been said and the pictures are still up. I find this to be another Soldier that DGAF.... If I knew where and who her chain of command was/is, I would definitely send this to them as her battle buddies have already sent her the regulation and told her these photos are inappropriate.
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SFC (Join to see)
These photos in my opinion are inappropriate but how can you control what someone puts on their facebook.
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Punishment. There is a regulation for a reason. DA 4856, UCMJ, something. You are told from the beginning that you are a Soldier 24/7 and we represent the military.
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SFC Ortiz, indeed she needs to be corrected but I appreciate your efforts to solve the problem at the lowest level. I've seen too many people jump right to the extreme when it could've been solved much easier. Regardless of whether she listened or not, thanks for being an example, it's encouraging.
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Besides the hands in the pocket...what's wrong? j/k<br><br>This happened over a year ago and was probably (hopefully) already handled.
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SFC Anabel Cepero
SFC Baber,
I was also on her page and she posted about her return home and it was tagged with her location overseas. Clearly she doesn't know about opsec either. She's being failed in numerous ways.
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SSG Laureano Pabon
Well I did see all her pictures, and I also saw something that kind of made me think. She seems to have a history of skipping PT and having coffee, Now her pictures show something more of what is called glamour photography, which is not something bad, she appears to be more into singing and perhaps just do her 3 or 4 years and leave. This SM shows no real interest in the Armed forces. Another thing is that some one took the pictures for her, so she either hired someone or someone hired her to get them taken. The SM tends to make a fashion statement, or the photographer instructed her to dress as such to make that fashion statement. Images appear to have family members supporting her as is. The fact that her main picture shows (amateur glamor, due to the back ground not being blurred or removed, and a military picture next to it makes her flee she can do what ever she feels like doing). But like I said this is not a career solider.
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SGT (Join to see)
SSG Pabon, I hope you're right that she's a short-termer. At the very least I hope she PCSs, because she is not a good representative of the 101st.
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SSG Laureano Pabon
I figured SPC Thundercloud that she doesn't have a tattoo in her body to go to Sergeant majors academy, She's not posing for her profile picture in the E-6 promotion board, and she's not dressing up in her glamour clothing for the next war. No, only a short timer would conduct themselves this way. Much worse someone who skips out in PT, that should tell every one sometime. I seen theses kinds of SM's many times in my era so I can read them.
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I think it is just poor taste and very inappropriate. However, many youngins' are doing this these days. She needs to be pulled aside and counselled. This falls in my realm of what should be common sense, but not everyone shares my views. It also disgusts me that I'm sure she has battle buddies that commented or liked it, yet none will stand up and politely let her know it is inappropriate. What happened to policing up your buddies? In the civilian sector, people are losing jobs and not being hired over what is on their social media accounts. Why do they think the military is any different?
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PV2 Abbott Shaull
I like how all talk of Morals leads back to Christianity. There are other religions that hold up an outstanding Morals and Qualities and in many cases will not stray to dark side in life, but that not here nor there.
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Social Media is a difficult situation. We, the older and followers of doctrine of the Army, look on and tsk tsk. As Soldiers, we defend the 1st Amendment, but we have difficulty actually allowing full Freedom of speech/expression. I recall as a junior enlisted soldier, probably before this Soldier was born, I had no risk of things such as this occurring. Obviously, looking at me, I had no risk of people having any "sexy" opinion of me. I am going to drop all rank except Father of four (two girls, two boys)...Have respect for yourself. Pictures such as these are fine for a select person with whom you have a special relationship, but to broadcast pictures such as these will only bring all of these opinions down on you. My unit trains Battalion and higher units on such lofty ideals as Mission Command, which would say she needs some Commander's Guidance in order to demonstrate Discipline Initiative to propel herself to her best possible outcome. Counseling, not the public stockade that she is enduring right now, is what should have been pursued to correct this behavior/thought process.
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I have mixed feelings about this. While I understand that it is against the UCMJ, I remember before the internet we would take photos of us standing around guys with their shirts off showing off their muscles. Again it is wrong, but it is also nothing new, what is new is the social media. The questions about how to handle social media is still something new. While soldiers should always lead my example, is it right for us to pry into peoples personal pages? That is the same as going through their photo album book. While she may be expressing herself in ways we dont agree with, looking over her page she never does these things at her unit, but takes these photos in the privacy of her own home. If my NCO visited my home and happen to see a photo like this of me in a photo album would he be allowed to punish me, or would he simple council me? Truthfully if I was her NCO I would and someone brought this to me, I would probable start off with asking her not to publicly post the photos, to keep them for only friends.
Again these are still questions being answered as the UCMJ has not caught up with the internet. I remember something like this when a middle school teacher posted a photo of herself on her facebook page of her on vacation in bikini by a pool. A parent saw the photo reported it to the school and she was fired. But a male teacher at the same school was photographed with just shorts on at a beach and no one said anything. We tend to hold women to a different standard when it comes to this kind of thing.
Again I am not saying what she did is right, but do we really want to head down this path?
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Honestly to be punished for taking such pictures would be against what we fight for our freedom! At the same time we shouldn't allow soldiers to just think that they can do what they want without any kind of action taken against the soldier. I agree with Amanda Hicks if it is ok for males to do it then in turn should be ok for females. Either way it is really not for us to judge a person on what they post on there social media. I don't agree with the picture but at the same time I don't think that she should be lets say kicked out or severely punished over such photo.
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SSG Garvey, it is never okay for a soldier, male or female, to dishonor our uniform. If she wants to post skanky photos, she needs to do it in civies.
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SPC Shelby yes your are correct she should have done them in civies but she didn't! I'm sure she now knows tht what she did was wrong and should not be tolerated! All people make mistakes she just made a big one! How many times have you seen soldiers do something wrong an only get a slap on the wrist? I dont support her in any way shape or form for what she did and i never, i personally have not seen the pictures but just from what everyone is saying either way it was disrespectful!
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SGT (Join to see)
That's true, sergeant. We all make mistakes. I can only hope that her NCO support channel dispenses some type of relevant correction that helps her understand exactly why her actions are wrong.
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SFC Ortiz,
This photo is available to the public, so I agree that some type of disciplinary action is in order.
The photo on the right is in her profiles album on FB, which is viewable by all. Also, the fact that it's in her profiles album shows that at one point, this was the image she used as her public profile pic.
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Why is it wrong for her to post them but alright for you to post them?
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SFC Sorrow,
With all due respect, I feel that by SFC Ortiz posting them, it is giving an example. We can talk about how widely disseminated a photo can be all day, yet no one pays attention. SFC Ortiz is not the one that took the photos and put it out there for the world to see. She just shared it to illustrate her point. Obviously the Soldier in question did not care about the whole world seeing it. Once it is on the internet, its fair game, like it or not. The problem is that we don't need our Soldiers allowing themselves to be put out like that. This is where training could help.
Actually, this is a good idea for social media training. If/when it becomes a hot issue and it becomes death by powerpoint, it'll kinda add impact if the instructor does their homework ahead and finds embarrassing pics/ posts of those sitting in the training that are widely available on the internet. (obviously blurring out certain things but leave their face for impact). Something like that may get them to stop and think, as well as realize anyone can get access to what they posted.
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First you attack my integrity and now I'm ignorant. Its ok SPC. I cant tell you why I could see those pictures... again I'm not aware of her privacy settings. But for us to not be friends and I still be able to view them makes it public enough.
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SGT(P) (Join to see)
When will Soldiers learn that there is no privacy in social media. It is called social media for a reason. It's not private media sitting in someone's house. In my OPINION, it is showing that people that aren't even connected can have access into your stuff. You give up any claim to privacy when you post it. To me, this is the point SFC Ortiz is illustrating. If she can see it, think of the many others that can, also. Think of how this can affect the Soldier in the future and the blatant disrespect she is showing by not removing it.
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SPC K., her pic can be seen by the public, and at one time was her public profile pic. Privacy laws should not apply.
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