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<p>Do we really punish these Soldiers or do we just let them be? I find this appalling and another reason why some women have difficulties being respected. This Soldier here in the pictures was a Soldier of mine when I was a DS for basic training. I don't even recall her speaking. She and I are not friends on Facebook but I saw these and have been upset all day. Am I wrong? If you are going to take pictures like this---- why would you post them publicly on Facebook? </p><p><br></p><p>I edited and removed the pictures because they lacked taste. She was in several photos in her bra, multicams pants, and belly piercing. She was half dressed.</p>
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SFC Ortiz,
I absolutely agree that this is wrong. If she wanted to show off her body she could've done it without the uniform. I mean I don't get the whole selfie in your undies and uniform thing. Is this what the kiddos are up to nowadays?
She is sending the wrong message and I agree this Soldier should be reprimanded. The problem is when the Soldier gets reprimanded and still continues to do it. Clearly they DGAF like you stated. Unfortunately there are more of her out there. There has to be a good solution to this epidemic of distasteful pictures in uniform...
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I wish I knew. I simply know that I am going to add this to my At Risk Counseling that I give all my Soldiers in my platoon.
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SFC Anabel Cepero
SFC Ortiz,
That is a good idea. We are becoming a more and more technologically driven world. I don't see this ending. At least if it's on paper and the Soldier reads, signs, and understands it; then they cannot say "but I didn't know it was wrong".
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Is there a way you can contact her current COC. Somehow, I think being called into the 1SGs office (along w/SL & PSG) with them having the pic for a counseling will be effective. Hopefully she will be mortified and think again.
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SFC Ortiz I believe SFC Sorrow is answering your question in your original post; If you took pictures like these why would you post them in public on Facebook? He is pointing out that you posted her tasteless picture in another arena showing to even more people what we wouldn't have seen otherwise. I agree with you that this Soldier has shown lack of respect in hanging pictures like these but I never would have known the pictures existed if they weren't copied and pasted here. I don't think making these pictures more public was a part of the solution you are looking for. I think this could have been handled a bit better and without exposing indecent pictures to a wider audience.
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I thought I was doing the right thing by asking military professionals their advice.
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A limited written description could have sufficed. We should still handled Soldier issues with dignity weather or not their acts are dignified or not.
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A lot of these things are not really wrong but they are in extremely poor taste. The are objectifying themselves. whether they like it our not you don't know how others may view it. I don't post gym selfies. It only takes one person to take it the wrong way and it can turn side ways. An example of this would be if her first line supervisor "Liked" the comment or if they would have left comment of them being sexy. If you want to do that I don't have an issue with it. That is fine but you should mix the military with it.
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I have a question for SFC Blasa Ortiz or any other DS (current or recently toured). How much time is used to go over the problems of social media, public image, opsec, and so on.
I am not being an apologist for poor behavior, I am genuinely curious if the training has caught up with current trends and possible challenges due to those trends.
I am not being an apologist for poor behavior, I am genuinely curious if the training has caught up with current trends and possible challenges due to those trends.
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I left the trail over two years ago. I'm not very certain as things often change so quickly during that time frame. Hopefully someone still on the trail can answer that. But when I was on the trail, social media had not been as negative to our image as within the last couple years- flag draping pictures, failing to salute....
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One must be careful about pictures like that. She wouldn't want to become someone's new meme.
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My point was that you don't have to post the pictures to favorably argue your point. I don't disagree that what she did is wrong, but was it right for you to re-post inappropriate images of another soldier?
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Considering this is a website with past and present military members, and not I was seeking advice from professionals, I thought it was. But I guess not.
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This seems like something that could be solved by that troops immediate supervisor pulling her aside and having a chat (with some "pizzazz") and at the end of it, telling said troop to use their brains and conduct themselves as professionals from that point forward. An issue like that shouldn't go higher than an E6 level in my opinion.
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I've been reading all these posts, and most SMs have very good points and all valid, depending on your point of view. But pictures of Soldiers shirtless is nothing new. Take a look at Vietnam, Korea, and even some WWII pictures. Someone always has their shirt off. I did not look at the pictures of the female in question, but I can imagine from other pictures I've seen. I may be throwing myself under the bus here, but I've been downrange where we worked shirtless in the middle of nowhere, Afghanistan and Iraq. Men and women, women kept on sports bras. But no one batted an eye, no one had problems because we were all working towards the same goal and performing the mission. My own personal opinion, there's a time and place. Now that being said, I keep those types of pictures to myself, for the most part. Although I do have an outstanding picture of me riding a donkey.
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Eh. Soldiers are Soldiers. In 1942 there were these same types of things and we made it out okay. If you want to talk off line to her so be it, but to me I have seen enough guys do the same thing and they still are respected (well inside jokes do occur from time to time).
The internet is full of men and women just like her, education may help but not the other millions of others. In the age of snapchat and a cell phone in everyone's pocket - it is a messy affair.
If it was my Soldier, I may have sent an email through ako so its on record stating something formal like your Facebook privacy settings are not secure, the images you took could be construed in a demeaning manor, and all that. However, I think the new kind of Solider would wins ARCOMS for this same thing...
The internet is full of men and women just like her, education may help but not the other millions of others. In the age of snapchat and a cell phone in everyone's pocket - it is a messy affair.
If it was my Soldier, I may have sent an email through ako so its on record stating something formal like your Facebook privacy settings are not secure, the images you took could be construed in a demeaning manor, and all that. However, I think the new kind of Solider would wins ARCOMS for this same thing...
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I think we have to evolve discipline with the time we are in.
As social media has evolved, I think the Army has done an ok enough job trying to keep up with it. Ths behavior cannot be ignored or else it will turn into the new norm.
Also, having said that, guys take pics of themselves with no shirt on in their uniform.
Both your female soldier and males that do this are doing the same thing.
Now, is it disrespectful to the uniform and does it warrant UCMJ? I can't really say, my vote would be no, but their are higher ranking individuals that need to make the call on that.
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