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I noticed that one of the discussion points was DA photo. Should there be an excuse/ reason as to why senior NCOs still have DA Photos with the Amry Greens instead of the ASU...
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A senior NCO still wearing greens is showing no desire to remain in the Army of the future which is the message it sends regardless of wear out dates.
On the MSG board AAR notes, honest they are a crock. It's the same bullets every year just in a different order.
Promotions are based on the budget and MOS strength, one is too high and the other isn't high enough. The war time budget allowed too many promotions between 07-09 and now senior ranks are over. The QSP is supposed to make some room by cleaning out the trash but in my MOS 31B senior NCOs rarely if ever get in trouble.
I know what the board members look for on the board have less to do with what they put in the AAR comments.
This was the year of the 79R, last year was Engineers.
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SFC Grudzinski,
I just want to comment, true last and this year Engineers selected a lot for promotions. But the reason for that is the Brigade Engineer Battalion stand up which brought in eight new BEBs to the Army thus adding 40 new 1SG slots and 16 Operations jobs as well. The next two years there will be 14-18 new BEB activation's.
So I think those promotions are valid.
V/R
1SG Haro
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1SG,
I wasn't discounting the Engineer Corp growth I was merely pointing out trends. This year ALARACT 147 caused a major exodus from the 79R field therefore opening up several positions which triggered the promotion trend for that MOS. Unless the Army opens a bunch of new MP units promotions for us will remain low.
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<p>I guess the best response I can come up with is :</p><p> </p><p>ALARACT 202/2008</p><p> </p><p>17. BEGINNING IN 4TH QUARTER FY 2009, SOLDIERS HAVE THE OPTION TO TAKE THEIR
OFFICIAL DA PHOTO IN THE ASU. THIS IS STRICTLY OPTIONAL ON THE SOLDIERS PART.
SOLDIERS CAN STILL CONTINUE TO TAKE THEIR DA PHOTO IN THE ARMY GREEN SERVICE
UNIFORM UNTIL THE MANDATORY POSSESSION DATE OF 4TH QUARTER FY 2014. DURING THIS TRANSITION PERIOD, OFFICIAL DA PHOTOS CAN BE IN EITHER THE ARMY GREEN SERVICE UNIFORM OR THE ASU.</p>
OFFICIAL DA PHOTO IN THE ASU. THIS IS STRICTLY OPTIONAL ON THE SOLDIERS PART.
SOLDIERS CAN STILL CONTINUE TO TAKE THEIR DA PHOTO IN THE ARMY GREEN SERVICE
UNIFORM UNTIL THE MANDATORY POSSESSION DATE OF 4TH QUARTER FY 2014. DURING THIS TRANSITION PERIOD, OFFICIAL DA PHOTOS CAN BE IN EITHER THE ARMY GREEN SERVICE UNIFORM OR THE ASU.</p>
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SSG Dean,
I can tell just from your research you are a great NCO doing the leg work is a great sign of a motivated leader. Beat way to learn is reading it!
V/R
1SG Haro
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I know what the All Army Action message says... but as leaders should't we be setting the standards in every way? I was brought up to purchase the items on my own and not have to wait until the Army gave them to me, or use clothing allowance...and senior leaders at the Pentagon don't wear Army Greens anymore...
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I would argue that waiting until the last possible moment to transition to the dress uniform adopted by the Army is akin to meeting the minimum standard. You may be right, but you do not set the best example as a leader and a professional. I understand that many may have personally preferred the tradition of the greens, and purchasing ASUs is a financial hurdle for all of us that had to transition, but at this point it is difficult to understand why a professional leader could not have made the switch.
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Agree. Leaders set the example. I'm going to have to dive in and get a dress mess some day as well. Comes with the territory.
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I agree that leaders should be leading the way. At the same time I know some leaders who have two sets of class A uniform because they came out of pocket for the commercial set (that looks better than the issue). I don't feel that people should be looked upon negatively for wearing an authorized uniform, but if they're trying to set a dedicated example, they should acquire the ASU. (I have two sets of both. One each issued, one each commercial. What a money pit)
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No excuse. Just do it. Buy it piece by piece if you have to. But overall it's your responsibility just as so your career progression. Consider initiative when SM have ASUs now who chose not to wait until the deadline. Uniforms are constantly changing just as everything else in life. Adjust fire, lean forward in the foxhole.
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I think (in my opinion, tracking that I will most lickly never be looked at for MSG) that holding that against anyone is 100% wrong and unfair and sounds like a lot of personal belief rather than standard setting.
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SFC Osorio,
I think after being a SSG for two years they need a DA photo no questions asked. Then update their photo when needed. If you are being looked and do not take an updated photo the board shouldn't even waist their time looking at your packet. Now if there is a real reason why you didn't take a new photo let say six months before the board.
My reasoning is this SENIOR right! That is who is getting looked at SSG and SFC in the secondary and primary zones they should be held accountable for these little things. A DA Photo is not time consuming. But it is the leg work why it doesn't get done, to much work ie: update ERB, updating ASU/Greens, Hair cut, or their scared they look unprofessional (chubby). So they blow it off and then blame everyone else why they didn't get selected.
Sorry I rambled, those are just my thoughts.
V/R
1SG Haro
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I agree, the leg work and the hassle of getting the ERBS and OMPFs updated are the main two reason Soldiers fail t update their DA Photo, no excuse, though...
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SFC Michael Hasbun
Actually, as per AR 640-30, 6a(5) it is MANDATORY to take a DA photo within 60 days of being promoted to SSG.
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The ASU was adopted to replace and consolidate 3 uniforms (green, blue, white) primarily for the purpose of saving money.
Am I supposed to demonstrate support for the Army's cost saving measures by spending money to replace a perfectly serviceable uniform? I'm sorry, but the logic just doesn't work for me.
Am I supposed to demonstrate support for the Army's cost saving measures by spending money to replace a perfectly serviceable uniform? I'm sorry, but the logic just doesn't work for me.
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Considering wear out is October 2014 senior leaders are looking for Soldiers that are willing to adapt to change. This has been in every AAR for the last year or longer
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SFC Stephen P.
I don't see how it indicates a willingness to adapt to change. Intent of the policy has been to treat the two uniforms as equivalent until the wear out date.
I don't see how one one uniform can be judged better than another when both are considered by policy to be equally serviceable for the purpose.
The reasoning I've encountered thus far is purely tautological.
I don't see how one one uniform can be judged better than another when both are considered by policy to be equally serviceable for the purpose.
The reasoning I've encountered thus far is purely tautological.
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