Posted on Jul 25, 2015
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With hundreds of volunteers standing guard at recruiting stations nationwide, was an AD bound to happen? Does this change the view of quality or value of the efforts these volunteers are making? Does this mark the end of their efforts amongst many requests for them to vacate their properties housing recruiting stations?

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2015/07/23/recruiting-center-shot-fired.html
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SFC Walter Mack
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We are not children. We are grown men and women who are expected to kill people for a living if it should come to that. Soldiers act like children because we treat them that way. If we treat them like adults, the opposite may be true. It's worth a shot. Service members are professionals. Treat them as such.

You will never eliminate NDs or any other negative aspect of our profession. We need to do our best to train Soldiers, without over training in a check the block fashion (which is ALL we do), then accept that bad things will happen.
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SFC Walter Mack I absolutely agree the more you treat soldiers like adults and expect responsible behavior they usually step up to the plate. Unfortunately, in this case it was a civilian who had the ND.
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SFC Tyrone Almendarez
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There more of a nuisance then help. Wanna help the recruiters? Enlist!
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SGT Joe Sabedra
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While I agree with all the previous comments there is the flip side where I have a problem with military command and weapons with ammo. I have been on many a guard station (Ammo Depots, Base security) and was not allowed to have ammo for my weapon. The Sgt of the guard had it but would have to run it out to me if there was a problem.

A balance would be a loaded magazine in the well on an empty barrel. I would rather have that and take me a second then no ammo.
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SGT Joe Sabedra I understand the safety measures behind this type of action, but just don't understand the practical application of such practices. If an situation would arise where force is needed, the situation would be over by the time the ammo arrived. I shake my head whenever I see guards carrying weapons with no magazines.
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We all agreed.
One man with a 22 Rifle could essentially take the ammo depot.

I saw it again at the front gates of Ft. Sill a few months ago with Army Gaurds. But not the civilian counter part.
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SGT Aaron Barbee
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On one hand, yes, it was bound to happen (LoA's always win in the end). On the other hand, it was completely and totally avoidable; but, then again, most NDs are. Does this mean we shouldn't arm recruiters? Certainly not the case. They are in a career that is emotionally exhausting, as well as potentially physically threatening in and out of the office. That being said, I'm all for recruiters being armed, clearing barrels being placed in front of the offices, and MP/SP personnel assigned and attached to each office to serve as security. In the mean time, I say if civilians want to guard our recruiters, they need to take some tips from the vets and attend a couple weapons safety and handling courses.
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Well said SGT Aaron Barbee, it was totally avoidable. I am not sure that the lengths you think we should go, I am not quite for that level of protection. But in light of the resent events, I think some sort of precautions should be implemented. Thank you for adding to the discussion.
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