Posted on Aug 23, 2014
Addressing a MSG, SFC & SSG as “Sergeant.” Does anyone else think this is disrespectful?
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I feel as if I’m speaking to a Master Sergeant, Sergeant First Class or Staff Sergeant, they need to be addressed as their full rank and not “Sergeant.”
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Addressing a sergeant first class by their rank is somewhat unwieldy. In that case only I use the term Sgt. All other times, I used the full rank.
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SFC (Join to see)
By "unwieldy," you mean it would take a little extra effort. Well, thank you in advance, for your extra effort...
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Try calling a Marine Sergeant Major (E9) "Sarge" and see WTF happens to you....ROFLMAO =)
Even wearing "the butter-bar" won't save you from the impending avalanche of crap you're about to get.....and rightfully so. =)
Even wearing "the butter-bar" won't save you from the impending avalanche of crap you're about to get.....and rightfully so. =)
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SGT Jeremiah B.
lol Call anyone in the Army "sarge" and you're going to be hating life in about .3 seconds. "What did you call me?! Am I a scum sucking fish on the bottom of the ocean?! Beat your face until I get tired, Private."
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SFC Matthew Torres, reference AR 600-20 Ch 1 and it will answer your question.
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I personally don't care how they address my rank, as long as they execute my guidance and absorb my mentorship. I do make sure they are aware of what the reg says but in today's Army, I feel we have bigger fish to fry than worrying about if their addressing of my rank in full or truncated is disrespectful. It's neither. It's regulatory.
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CW4 Larry Curtis
Now here's a man who gets right down to the brass tacks. There is nothing more expedient than a simple no-nonsense approach because we have much bigger rats to kill. Thank you for your service and leadership, SFC Smith.
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SFC Torres,
Me personally I would say it is not disrespectful at all to call SSG-MSG by their Regulation name of "Sergeant". That is what they are supposed to be called. However, out of respect I always refer to MSG's and "Master-Sergeant "Joe", in any conversation. To me E-8 is a big deal and they deserve it. IMO the diamond gets it, so why would the MSG not get it. That of course is not the reg and I do realize that. But its just an additional respect in my eyes that they have earned as the second highest Enlisted Grade in the Army
Me personally I would say it is not disrespectful at all to call SSG-MSG by their Regulation name of "Sergeant". That is what they are supposed to be called. However, out of respect I always refer to MSG's and "Master-Sergeant "Joe", in any conversation. To me E-8 is a big deal and they deserve it. IMO the diamond gets it, so why would the MSG not get it. That of course is not the reg and I do realize that. But its just an additional respect in my eyes that they have earned as the second highest Enlisted Grade in the Army
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SFC (Join to see) I agree with you. As I was enlisted in the Marine Corps prior to commissioning in the Army, I bring those courtesies with me from the Corps. If you have ever seen another branch refer to a SSG in the Marines as "Sergeant" you will know what I mean. I feel it is a respect issue, and the Soldier who has attained that rank, deserves to be addressed by that rank. I will always address my Soldiers by their rank, not just a general rank, and this goes for junior enlisted as well. I will address a Specialist as "Specialist Smith" versus just their last name as I hear all the time and correct.
I do understand that the Army's policy on addressing Sergeants, Staff Sergeants, and Master Sergeants as Sergeants, but it doesn't mean that I don't think each rank deserves the respect of their rank.
I do understand that the Army's policy on addressing Sergeants, Staff Sergeants, and Master Sergeants as Sergeants, but it doesn't mean that I don't think each rank deserves the respect of their rank.
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SSG Stacy Carter
Lieutenant Larson, As an ARMY Officer it is your responsibility to adhere to and enforce ARMY Regulations. You are not in the Marine Corps anymore you are not supposed to follow Marine/Navy Regulations anymore. While I agree that you should address other branches by their correct titles the ARMY Regs specifically states how you are REQUIRED to address SGT, SSG, SFC and MSG.. they are all referred to as Sergeant. The only noncomissioned officers referred to by anything different are the First Sergeants and Sergeants Major (which is used for both Command Sergeants Major and Sergeants Major).
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I'm also an Instructor in an Interservice Training Review Organization (ITRO) and we teach all branches. My particular division teaches only Soldiers and Marines. When I first got to this unit and began teaching, the Marines (which usually accounts for 30-50% of any class) would call me "SERGEANT FIRST CLASS". I found that kind of weird since I'm used to Soldiers calling me "SERGEANT". I later found out that is part of their customs and courtesies. So no, I don't think we should be addressed by our full ranks. As stated many times before in this thread, we have our customs and courtesies and should abide by them. We cannot pick and choose what to follow. Is it "disrespectful" to address us by our full rank? Absolutely not. As NCOs, we enforce. Let's ENFORCE and let our officers make policy.
I would like to add, though, that when I was coming up through the ranks, we often referred to MSG as "Master Blaster". I honestly don't know where that came from but I've always thought it was pretty cool. When I do finally pin on my third rocker, I wouldn't smoke anyone for calling me Master Blaster. But again...that's me.
I would like to add, though, that when I was coming up through the ranks, we often referred to MSG as "Master Blaster". I honestly don't know where that came from but I've always thought it was pretty cool. When I do finally pin on my third rocker, I wouldn't smoke anyone for calling me Master Blaster. But again...that's me.
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MSG(P) (Join to see)
Oh Ok. Thanks for the knowledge Top. With that being said, I'd much rather have Master Sergeant used. Not that being a Jump Master is "bad", it's actually an honor but I've never dropped anything from a plane that I had to retrieve. So I definitely don't "fall" in that category...lol.
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Cpl Matthew Wall
That is the one thing that irritated me most when I was training soldiers. I would say Sergeant and half the class would look at me because they were all used to being call SGT whether they were a SGT or not. I just went back to my Marine customs and called out full rank and it worked a lot better.
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Not disrespectful, the Marines do this, but this is specific to them. The Army calls everyone E-5 to E-8 Sergeant. Now if someone addresses me as Master Sergeant I dont correct them either, most people dont however. Enlisted ranks for the purpose of addressing them break down to; Private (E-1 through E-3), Specialist, Corporal (very Rare now), Sergeant (E-5 through E-8), Sergeant Major (Staff and Command Sergeant Major).
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CW4 Larry Curtis
Don't forget about the First Sergeant. ;) That is a person who is definitely earning their stripes every hour of every day. A good First Sergeant is usually the Commander's right-hand man and runs the company behind the scenes doing a multitude of things in the unseen realm to keep the unit running smoothly. I have never known a good First Sergeant who was ever really off the clock, if you know what I mean. I have had First Sergeants who made it one of their primary objectives to keep the Commander straight and out of trouble from up the Chain of Command...and most of them were quite masterful at doing so, and there have been some Commanders who could quite honestly say that they owe their career to their First Sergeant. This commentary is not intended to slight the Master Sergeants in the least, but I think you'd probably agree with me. The same thing holds true for the Command Sergeants Major (that always seemed like an odd way to express them in the plural), just at a higher echelon of operation.
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Side note, any rank can be made to sound disrespectful as well as “Sir”.
I believe the regulation says “Sergeant” is the proper address.
I believe the regulation says “Sergeant” is the proper address.
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50 plus years ago ,first sgt,Sgt major, we don't say,yes Sgt first class,or yes master Sgt, or yes staff sgt. Now in Nam it was Sgt major, first sgt ,we called top . Rhe rest was sarge.
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