Posted on May 26, 2015
TSgt Joshua Copeland
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This just happened to my cousin. For Memorial Day she posted photos of her family in uniform to include her AD Air Force Son and her son that just graduated (in his AFJOTC uniform) and indicated he has contracted with the AF and is just waiting for his job to come available to ship.

Today on the same Facebook thread, a Army National Guard Recuiter posted this:

"Green isn't a bad color either. Hoping to tell Jalen about his options in the Army National Guard next week over lunch. If Mom wants a free shirt or two, let me know what size. Just trying to let Jalen know all his opportunities so he can choose which one will best serve his goals ( ps - I m the recruiter you meant one day at the Hot Dog shop )"

My cousin politely reiterated their previous conversation indicating that he is not interested and that "blue is her favorite color"

He responds that the Army has dress blues so he hopes he is still in the running.

Is it normal for Army National Guard recruiters to be this aggressive? Especially when they have already been told no, and the potential recuit has already contracted with another branch? Not to mention the creepy Facebook stalker-ish behavior!
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MSG Morgan Fiszel, CPCM, CFCM
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It isn't about Army Recruiters, it's just about recruiters. That is the mission of a recruiter in any industry. Recruiters are much like sales guys. Do sales guys go away when you say no? Do the telemarketers stop calling? Do the spam emails stop? Do they pull down all of the billboards and free magazines of ads? The worst are college recruiters. Military recruiters make about 80k a year and when they aren't able to recruit they get fired. And by the way...the army has far more career fields, especially on the enlisted side. Most of those career fields have more transferable skills. If this person is looking at guard or reserve there are far more opportunities in the army. Another thing about AF culture, if they aren't a pilot they will never be considered valuable.
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MSG Morgan Fiszel, CPCM, CFCM
MSG Morgan Fiszel, CPCM, CFCM
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TSgt Joshua Copeland
TSgt Joshua Copeland
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Never served as a recruiter, that said, our Aircraft Mx folks are grouped. Bombers, Heavies, a Fighters, Helos. They get a shred out to specify qualification on an airframe, but that doesn't stop them from changing. I have friends that have worked B1, B2 and B52 over the course of thier careers. This is where the AF and Army differ. Your original arguement was that Army MOSs for enlisted cross over to civilian skills more than AF AFSCs, which is simply false when you remove the majority of those larger number of billets are for combat arms MOSs.
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MSgt Jeff S.
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SFC Morgan Fiszel - In my humble opinion, you have just displayed several reasons that Guard Recruiters get a reputation for being "dirty". (Yes, I am assuming that you have a recruiting background, since you are so "knowledgeable".)
1. You seem to be advocating that it is okay to pursue a DEP member that is already CONTRACTED to another service.
2. You write as though you are the subject-matter expert on Air Force AFSC's and the skills that are "transferable".
3. Your assumption about AF Culture and the statement that "if they aren't a pilot they will never be considered valuable." is simple ignorance.
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MSgt Paul Connors
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MSG Morgan Fiszel, CPCM, CFCM - You are way off base Sergeant Fiszel. Every operational flying wing in the ANG and AFRES has the same AFSCs available to enlistees as the active Air Force. In some cases, some AFSCs, such as my former AFSC, 3HO71 (Historian) were retained as an exception to policy in the AFRES when the Big Air Force and ANG eliminated the career field. In the case of Historians for AD USAF units, those roles are now GS civilians and in the ANG, wings no longer have a Historian.

That said, I never met a Squadron, Group, Wing, Numbered Air Force Commander who did not believe and know that his/her unit's mission would not be able to be accomplished without the various and multitude enlisted AFSCs contained within their organizations.

I see by the post-nominal after your name that you are a "Certified Professional Contracts Manager" and a Certified Federal Contracts Manager." Good for you! However, you are an ARNG NCO and your knowledge of the Air Force and its two reserve components is limited at best and based on completely false assumptions at worst. I would strongly suggest that you stick to what you know and leave the roles, responsibilities and jobs in the USAF, ANG and AFRES to those who know what they are talking about because you most certainly do not!
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MSG Usarec Liason At Nrpc/Nara
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I always joke that recruiter is code for "professional stalker". But most recruiters are respectful of other branches....sure we make a pitch for our branch and then if we get told to bugger off we do. I'd say this cat is an exception to the general respect we have for each other.
Unfortunately though Facebook Recruiting is the latest and greatest tactic.
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TSgt Joshua Copeland
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MSG (Join to see), I was always under the impression that once a recruit booked with another branch there was at least an unwritten code that they were off limits to other recruiters.
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MSG Usarec Liason At Nrpc/Nara
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If they signed a contract the are absolutely off limits. If they haven't done that well then some may try to poach.
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1LT Nick Kidwell
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I am wondering why this recruiter was able to view/post the Facebook status? I mean, I have mine pretty locked down, so that he'd have to be at least a friend of a friend to even see my posts.

And being a friend of a friend I could then have had my friend tell him to go away.
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TSgt Joshua Copeland
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Based on what I can tell, he friended the son who was tagged in the post.
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SSG Section Sergeant
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Report as "Spam" to Facebook....lol
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