Posted on Jun 20, 2014
Any advice for transitioning/pending retraining from AD to guard? What should be planned as far as temp living status, jobs, education,?
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I've been tentatively approved for Palace Chase, and despite a more-than-likely future official approval from AFPC, I'm just trying to wrap my head around all options. This is a retraining opportunity for me as well, so I will be pending a classroom slot at DLIFLC for a good minute. Any advice on what I can do as far as the post 9/11 GI Bill is concerned in regards to education/housing allowance, etc? I've talked to the VA folks, but I think there's more than meets the eyes. I'm worried that if I have to wait to start school (which may only be 2 semesters before my retraining window), I won't be entitled to the GI Bill benefits until those particular semesters start. Do any Guardsmen have any insight on this? All info is greatly appreciated!
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SSgt Barrot,
I hope you are aware that you must attend a mandatory TAP brief. Don't sell yourself short by someone telling it isn't mandatory unless you have a short window of less than 30 days.
The GI Bill is a VA benefit and separate from the Air Force's TA program for active duty members, so you can convert to the Post 9/11 GI Bill and use it in the ANG. However there's a caveat, if you by chance happen to land an AGR(Active Guard/Reserve) Tilte 10 or Title 32 position, you won't be able to use the 9/11 Bill, however you will be eligible to use Fed TA. If you get a federal technician slot GS or WG(wage grade), you will able to use the Post 9/11 and if I remember, I think as a fed tech there is some tuition reimbursement, but as with anything there are rules/policies so just be sure to check.
Please go to the Utah National Guard HRO site http://www.ut.ngb.army.mil/hro/
you will find their may be some job opportunities there and a good source of info.
Here some other info:
The ADSC for transferred Post 9-11 benefits to dependents is not waived. Please see the included memorandum links for "Payback" and PALACE CHASE options.
https://gum-crm.csd.disa.mil/ci/fattach/get/2361624/ [login to see] /redirect/1/filename/PSDM%2013-09%20FY13%20Officer%20Voluntary%20Force%20Management%20Programs.pdf
https://gum-crm.csd.disa.mil/ci/fattach/get/2361638/ [login to see] /redirect/1/filename/PSDM%2013-10%20FY13%20Enlisted%20Voluntary%20Force%20Management%20Programs.pdf
PSDM 13-09 (officer) and PSDM 13-10 (enlisted), respectively explained the FY13 Voluntary Force Management Programs. An item of interest contained in each concerned the ADSC in relation to the Post 9/11 GI Bill Transfer to Dependents. Under the heading "Waiverable ADSCs/Service Commitments and Recoupment Obligation", please see the following notes:
PSDM 13-09, Note 2: Officers who leave the Air Force under this voluntary separation and retirement program without completing their Post-9/11 GI Bill Active Duty Service Commitment forfeit the transferred benefit, and any benefits that dependents used may be treated as an overpayment subject to recoupment by the Department of Veterans Affairs (DVA). Officers who wish to retain their transfer benefit may reference Attachment 3, PALACE CHASE Program, for continued service in the Guard or Reserve. For questions, contact the DVA at 1-888-GIBILL1 ( [login to see] ).
PSDM 13-10, Note 1: Airmen who leave the Air Force under this voluntary separation program without completing their Post-9/11 GI Bill Active Duty Service Commitment forfeit the transferred benefit, and any benefits that dependents used may be treated as an overpayment subject to recoupment by the Department of Veterans Affairs (DVA). Airmen who wish to retain their transfer benefit may reference Attachment 3, Enlisted Palace Chase Program, for continued service in the Guard or Reserve. For questions regarding the Post-9/11 GI Bill Transferability, contact the DVA at 1-888-GIBILL1 ( [login to see] ).
I hope you are aware that you must attend a mandatory TAP brief. Don't sell yourself short by someone telling it isn't mandatory unless you have a short window of less than 30 days.
The GI Bill is a VA benefit and separate from the Air Force's TA program for active duty members, so you can convert to the Post 9/11 GI Bill and use it in the ANG. However there's a caveat, if you by chance happen to land an AGR(Active Guard/Reserve) Tilte 10 or Title 32 position, you won't be able to use the 9/11 Bill, however you will be eligible to use Fed TA. If you get a federal technician slot GS or WG(wage grade), you will able to use the Post 9/11 and if I remember, I think as a fed tech there is some tuition reimbursement, but as with anything there are rules/policies so just be sure to check.
Please go to the Utah National Guard HRO site http://www.ut.ngb.army.mil/hro/
you will find their may be some job opportunities there and a good source of info.
Here some other info:
The ADSC for transferred Post 9-11 benefits to dependents is not waived. Please see the included memorandum links for "Payback" and PALACE CHASE options.
https://gum-crm.csd.disa.mil/ci/fattach/get/2361624/ [login to see] /redirect/1/filename/PSDM%2013-09%20FY13%20Officer%20Voluntary%20Force%20Management%20Programs.pdf
https://gum-crm.csd.disa.mil/ci/fattach/get/2361638/ [login to see] /redirect/1/filename/PSDM%2013-10%20FY13%20Enlisted%20Voluntary%20Force%20Management%20Programs.pdf
PSDM 13-09 (officer) and PSDM 13-10 (enlisted), respectively explained the FY13 Voluntary Force Management Programs. An item of interest contained in each concerned the ADSC in relation to the Post 9/11 GI Bill Transfer to Dependents. Under the heading "Waiverable ADSCs/Service Commitments and Recoupment Obligation", please see the following notes:
PSDM 13-09, Note 2: Officers who leave the Air Force under this voluntary separation and retirement program without completing their Post-9/11 GI Bill Active Duty Service Commitment forfeit the transferred benefit, and any benefits that dependents used may be treated as an overpayment subject to recoupment by the Department of Veterans Affairs (DVA). Officers who wish to retain their transfer benefit may reference Attachment 3, PALACE CHASE Program, for continued service in the Guard or Reserve. For questions, contact the DVA at 1-888-GIBILL1 ( [login to see] ).
PSDM 13-10, Note 1: Airmen who leave the Air Force under this voluntary separation program without completing their Post-9/11 GI Bill Active Duty Service Commitment forfeit the transferred benefit, and any benefits that dependents used may be treated as an overpayment subject to recoupment by the Department of Veterans Affairs (DVA). Airmen who wish to retain their transfer benefit may reference Attachment 3, Enlisted Palace Chase Program, for continued service in the Guard or Reserve. For questions regarding the Post-9/11 GI Bill Transferability, contact the DVA at 1-888-GIBILL1 ( [login to see] ).
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SSgt (Join to see)
Thank you! I've been looking on the UTANG HRO site as well. Since I've been given only tentative approval, I won't be scheduled for TAPS until the official notice comes out. I know TAPs will be the focal point in prepping me for this transition, but I think it wouldn't hurt to prepare for whatever may be out there for me. As far as AGR/Technician slots go, are they entitled to the same Fed TA benefits as the active duty folks are (such as same fiscal TA cap?).
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Yes the tuition cap is the same for AGRs vs active duty. For federal employees, tuition reimbursement usually includes cost of books and related fees along with actual tuition. Before registering for any courses at participating post-secondary institutions, the employee should confirm with superiors that the classes are approved by his agency and the amount of tuition reimbursement and related reimbursement for mandatory course materials and fees.
Also keep in mind if you do happen to find a technician slot, you have the option to buy your military time. Basically you are buying into the Federal Employee Retirement System.
Also keep in mind if you do happen to find a technician slot, you have the option to buy your military time. Basically you are buying into the Federal Employee Retirement System.
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COL Vincent Stoneking
Also, don't discount traditional reservist access to TA.
I know the program has changed significantly over the last several years, but I think when I last used it, you could get up to $4,500 per year (I could be wrong, or the amount could have changed) as a drilling reservist, to include National Guard. You may also have an employer TA available.
For me, between Reserve TA, SEL-RES/Montgomery GI-Bill, and employer TA, I got my Masters for "free."
Also, you very likely will qualify for multiple editions of the GI Bill (whatever you have from active, the Montgomery, the post-9/11, and I think one more). Each has its own unique ups and downs. It is worth taking the time to research.
I know the program has changed significantly over the last several years, but I think when I last used it, you could get up to $4,500 per year (I could be wrong, or the amount could have changed) as a drilling reservist, to include National Guard. You may also have an employer TA available.
For me, between Reserve TA, SEL-RES/Montgomery GI-Bill, and employer TA, I got my Masters for "free."
Also, you very likely will qualify for multiple editions of the GI Bill (whatever you have from active, the Montgomery, the post-9/11, and I think one more). Each has its own unique ups and downs. It is worth taking the time to research.
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Good point Sir, forgot about the Reserve TA. There is also Yellow Ribbon for schools above and beyond what your normal TA/GI Bill would cover.
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I do not have specific advice for you but I do have general advice. My general advice is to take yourself through a personal MDMP (mission analysis, COA development, COA Wargame). First off, do your research in order to scope the problem and determine what questions you should be answering. Use primary sources and insist on seeing black on white versus anyone's personal opinions even if they are or think they are SMEs. Second, determine what different ways are available to you that will accomplish the mission. Many people make the mistake of "placing all their eggs into one basket" when their may be many different ways to accomplish the mission. Finally, weigh the advantages and disadvantages of each COA based upon criteria that you self determine. Taking a deliberate approach such as this is generally better than shooting from the hip especially given adequate time which you appear to have.
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Thank you sir. I've taken some of those necessary steps about which you mentioned. Per your last sentence, that is exactly the reason I'm taking initiative on this: to avoid last minute reckless decisions and to view all options to "keep my eggs in multiple baskets". Being that this is my first time using RallyPoint, I figured it would be an effective way of getting guidance and advice based on personal experience of others. As you mentioned before, I'll consider some of the other research/analysis options. Thanks again!
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