Posted on Mar 10, 2016
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I think that if a Jr Officer has an issue with their superior addressing them by their first name, they should probably speak up and say something about it, but I personally have never seen it does as a sign of disrespect. Much more the opposite, if that Sr Officer respects their subordinates and values their input is generally when I've seen it occur. I used to work for a full bird that called everyone by their first name. When he met you he would ask your first name and that's what he'd call you the rest of the time you worked for him. He was the only officer that did that with the enlisted as well, but he'd been in so damn long (also prior enlisted) no one ever corrected him on it and it probably wouldn't have been taken very well if they'd tried. We were all actually pretty impressed that he could remember everyone's first name. The confusing part would come in when he couldn't remember a last name and he would keep yelling for someone to find Stefan, but no one had a clue who that was. He's actually the only person in the military to use my first name and not have me say something about it as that is a name that only my wife uses and everyone else just calls me Smitty.
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LTC Hardware Test Engineer
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I think that any Jr Officer who get's butthurt over a superior calling them by their first name is probably the kind of guy that insists on being saluted in a combat zone and insists that the CSM stand at attention when talking to them. LOL
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SPC Stephen Kraft
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Pretty sure EVERYONE named Smith is Smitty, at least in the Army.
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SGM Erik Marquez
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No such regulation.. that higher ranking officer could call his LT's Turnip 1, 2, and 3 if he whishes.. Though it would be unbecoming and unprofessional.
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LTC Paul Labrador
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But wouldn't you be more properly "Turnip 7"...? ;o)
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SSgt Christopher Brose
SSgt Christopher Brose
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SGM Erik Marquez Thanks for the laugh!
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SSG Instructor
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I have two toddlers and couldn’t help but form the mental image of that turnip from the kids cartoon Octonouts when picturing this...thanks for the laugh SGM!
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SSG Rick Miller
SSG Rick Miller
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Turnip 1, 2 and 3. Absolutely hilarious.
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CPT David Miller
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Naw, scary is when your commander tells you to close the door and addresses you by your rank. Then you know you have really messed up.
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SGT Dan Keeler
SGT Dan Keeler
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The commander I admired most never, and I mean NEVER, addressed anyone by anything but rank and last name. He was a consummate professional, and demanded professionalism from everyone. And I never doubted that he cared about me. He knew my wife's name, my birthday, her birthday, and carried on personal conversations with me regularly, but I was always SGT Keeler.
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LTC Hardware Test Engineer
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Take it as a compliment that your superiors care enough to actually know your first name.....
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LCDR Sales & Proposals Manager Gas Turbine Products
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Historically, I do know that the British tradition held that once a man joined the "mess", whether the most junior, or most senior...things were on a first name basis; particularly when in the mess. This was an especially great privilege when extended to a former NCO promoted into commissioned rank, and I imagine it was designed to announce his ascendancy. My guess is that this was because as "gentlemen" within the rigid class structure, you could in all likelihood have a coronet who was a baron...or a colonel who was a commoner. Referring to one another in the familiar probably allowed military hierarchy to remain intact without getting into tricky situations involving alcohol.

In the modern, US context-I always found that people respected "billet" more than rank in most wardrooms. O-1 to O-3 are essentially "equal", with the caveat that an O-3 can hand out an arse chewing to more junior ranks every bit as effectively as more senior ranks. I rarely had a department head (O-4 to O-5) call me by my rank or last name, but then again...I never called them by anything but "Sir" until I reached O-3. Captains (O-6), and I imagine "Full Bird" colonels are able to do just about whatever they want...and while I did have a "first name" relationship with my last CO, I'd have never called him "Gerald" in front of more junior officers, let alone the enlisted ranks.
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LTC Paul Labrador
LTC Paul Labrador
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For me, first name usage is a top down thing ONLY. I never called my superiors anything but their rank or "sir/ma'am" regardless of how they addressed me. I still have a hard time calling officers I served under who've retired anything but "sir/ma'am."
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LCDR Sales & Proposals Manager Gas Turbine Products
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During my brief foray with my "Green" brothers, I did notice that the Army views rank slightly differently...as well they probably should.
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LCDR Sales & Proposals Manager Gas Turbine Products
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One brief correction to my earlier post: As I wrote it, it might be implied that in some "far off past", the officer's mess was an egalitarian society...which would be completely incorrect: What I meant to describe was that a JUNIOR officer would be referred to by first name, although the convention certainly didn't work that way in reverse. LTC Labrador is completely correct on that point.
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LTC Bob Forrest
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I had an opportunity to dine in the Officer’s Mess at the Royal Military Police School in the UK. I WAS A First Lieutenant at the time. I was amazed to hear everyone addressed by first name within the mess, regardless of rank. Lieutenants who didn’t need to shave referred to the Brigadier who was the Commandant as “Sir Alan” and other seniors by first name, and vice versa. It appeared that regardless of your rank, you were part of the “Club” or the family. As soon as they stepped outdoors, it was back to the foot stamp, the salute, and “Yes, SAH,”
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CSM Charles Hayden Passed 7/29/2025
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It matters? Are you pleased to be recognized?? What is the problem?

Would you rather not be noticed?
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SFC Jimmy Williams
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I saw officers do this my whole career. Honestly, it was never on my radar to worry about.
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PO3 Donald Murphy
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On submarines, we refer to officers as "Mister". So LT Jones, would be "Mister Jones", Ensign Murphy would be "Mister Murphy," etc. The only exceptions are the Captain and Executive Officer who are "Captain"/"Skipper" and "XO" respectively. When an officer is acting in command, they are referred to as the title, ie; "Officer Of The Deck," "Diving Officer" etc.
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LTC Paul Labrador
LTC Paul Labrador
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But are they that formal away from the sailors...?
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CSM Charles Hayden Passed 7/29/2025
CSM Charles Hayden Passed 7/29/2025
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Nice to know that duties are considered in terms of address!
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LCDR Aerospace Engineering Duty, Maintenance (AMDO and AMO)
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Formally, even outside of submarines, "Mister" is acceptable for O-1 through O-3. Submarine tradition may expand that somewhat, but there IS a formal basis for it.
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PO3 Donald Murphy
PO3 Donald Murphy
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Every aviation and surface Navy officer we encountered demanded the rank (LT Johnson, Ensign Smith, etc). Things might have changed since the 80's.
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CPT(P) Platoon Leader
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I was taught if a Senior Officer calls you by your 1st name that you are on that Officer's good side.
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COL John Hudson
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From the IG Desk: Protocol dictates that common military courtesy requires proper recognition of any service member's rank during address at all times. Some Commands relax that somewhat in close quarters...say, a small office. Others may, with permission, extend that somewhat. The key is "permission." If one is uncomfortable being addressed in that manner, then solve the issue at the lowest level by advising the Officer, with respect, that use of proper military courtesy is welcomed (no 'hair on fire' response). If that request isn't honored, then run the issue up the chain. If the "Chain" itself is the problem, see your local IG for resolution.
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