Posted on Apr 9, 2014
APFU Pants: Why do I have to take them off when it's between 35-50° F?
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This has always been a pet peeve of mine. We form up in full Winter APFUs because it's friggin cold outside, and the 1SG tells us to take our pants off. WHY? It's COLD!
Am I the only person in the military who gets cold when my legs are exposed to cold air and wind? We usually just stand there waiting for who knows what to start the formation usually after it was supposed to begin. I once had to take an APFT at Ft. Huachuca while it was 30° with a really cold wind. We had to take off our pants for that one. Too cold. Way too cold. Am I just bitching? Is this because I am a Floridian?
All I really want to know is why do senior NCOs make this call? Can't we take the pants off when we actually start PT?
Am I the only person in the military who gets cold when my legs are exposed to cold air and wind? We usually just stand there waiting for who knows what to start the formation usually after it was supposed to begin. I once had to take an APFT at Ft. Huachuca while it was 30° with a really cold wind. We had to take off our pants for that one. Too cold. Way too cold. Am I just bitching? Is this because I am a Floridian?
All I really want to know is why do senior NCOs make this call? Can't we take the pants off when we actually start PT?
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As lower enlisted, I always appreciated being treated like a grown up. The units that allowed the lower enlisted the power of choice such as what to wear during PT, seemed to have way better morale. Leadership is way more than always telling soldiers exactly what to do and exactly how to do it. Having said this, it is my observation that the micromanaging leaders were always the weakest. They show their subordinates that they don't trust them at all to make any decision even if their decision is within regulation. The duty lies on the individual Soldier to make sure that they are physically fit and giving it their all for pt. If their clothing is within reg, leave them alone. If a junior NCO has a soldier that he knows is retarded, then he can tell his Soldier "hey look you need to make sure that you wear a t-shirt and shorts because you're going to heat up at the halfway point" excetera. For the vast majority of soldiers that are lower enlisted, we are grown men that have already been through basic and many of us through more than one deployment. You will build the soldiers confidence if you can allow the soldier to make small choices.
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It's potentially dangerous to do heavy PT with full gear on. When conducting PT in full gear at frigid temperatures, the body still sweats, and it's that sweat that can and will lower the body temperature. Moisture on the body in cold will remove heat from your body 25x faster. However, as a leader you have to know when to downgrade and when to take it inside. I agree that standing in formation for a long period of time in a downgraded uniform is just as bad as conducting strenuous exercise in full gear.
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I honestly think it's both to acclimate and because of the numbing effect. I have a knee injury and can't run too often because it helps pain brings me to tears. However when it's cold I can run without it hurting due to the numbing effect, granted I'll have to wear my knee brace all day if I do. Being from Houston where it reaches temperatures over 100 and then tack on humidity going to JBLM where it's almost always raining or freezing cold I can say I actually prefer to not wear the pants when it's above 32° now.
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Hahaha! A Warrant doing pt is like seeing a unicorn! The pt uniform sucks as it is, ditch the pantaloons and just pt! Like running with a trash bag around your legs. And it's not like it really keeps you warm like the old sweats!
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The pants may have caused overheating which would in turn cause sweating and chills/hypothermia to set in.
We were lucky enough to have indoor hangar decks to run pt in during boot in February at Great Lakes Naval Recruit Training Center,but marching in 15 degree snow storms in just dungarees ,no long johns sucked. We had to don towels around our heads like a shemahg.
Thank God I got duty in the Phillipines.
UDT shorts ,tank tops and sandals.
We were lucky enough to have indoor hangar decks to run pt in during boot in February at Great Lakes Naval Recruit Training Center,but marching in 15 degree snow storms in just dungarees ,no long johns sucked. We had to don towels around our heads like a shemahg.
Thank God I got duty in the Phillipines.
UDT shorts ,tank tops and sandals.
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Yeah I'm stationed in Fort Wainwright, pretty sure it was taught that you don't actually ever "acclimate" to the cold in extreme temperatures. Usually when you downgrade, it's because a dummy forgot something.
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A chief doing PT? Um chief you are a warrant officer put you pants back if you're cold I doubt anyone will say anything.
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My view is that there should be some common sense applied here.......Training to be miserable is just plain stupid. With Army training there will be many opportunities to be miserable especially if your combat arms.
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