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I was reading the Army times and it was talking about the racial backlash towards the new AR 670-1 female grooming standards. Is it really so wrong for the Army to provide more guidance on grooming standards when it pertains to a certain group of people? 
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SSG Robert Burns
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All I wanna know is CAN YOU WEAR 2 BUNS!?!?!?
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I almost gave you a down vote for that.
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CSM Aircraft Maintenance Senior Sergeant
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HAHAHAHAHA!


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Not going to respond to PFC Williams. That's for her chain of command to deal with. I am glad to see specifics. If there is umbrage about it, it will be dealt with and AR 670-1 will change. Until then it is regulation...and regulation is the only standard. I don't agree with the new tatoo policies, but I will enforce them and be professional in my disagreement. Bottom line is, it doesn't matter. There are too many people in the military that believe their opinions matter when it comes to things like this. As soon as I own the same rank as the person who signed the regulation into order...I'll make my opposition known. That's likely not going to happen though. So, suck it up and drive on. This is a utilitarian system. You do well, you thrive. You do poorly, you do not. Find an organization in the world that truly lives up to that standard better than the United States Military.
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SFC A.M. Drake
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Sir,

My 2 cents is this. Change effects people in different ways, we get comfortable with the "Norm". When the regular rules are not clear, or open to interpretation then everyone starts doing their own thing. Now the regulations are clear and concise. This reminds me of a history lessons. Remember when the automobile first came out, but horse and buggy were the dominant mode of travel. That generation was all up in arms about those "mechanical beasts". But as time went along it became the "norm". So shall this new standards pass and become the "new norm".
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DISCLAIMER! White, Male, and AF user responding

 

Our regulations may differ slightly, but they follow the same guidelines and I have read about your recent regulation revisions.  They seem to do nothing but REALLY ensure people are following the original regulations.  However, I think it's safe to say that it is much more difficult for a black female to comply with hair grooming standards than women of other races; that goes for every regulation in every branch.  The term "racial bias" to me, though, suggests malice based on discrimination.  I think it'd be more appropriate to say "racial inconvenience".

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Racial Inconvent does make more sense.
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Ridiculous is the only answer for these complaints. I'm so sick of people using race as a reason for everything. Believe it or not, some people simply don't care what color your skin is, what religion you are, what sex you are, etc - myself included.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>AR 670-1 is not racist. Nor are the people that wrote it (well maybe they are, but I don't think their personal opinions are relevant nor reflected in the new AR).</div>

Just to add on to this - you think I didn't want to keep my sideburns?! Boo hoo. What you say? We DID keep our sideburns. Not really. An 1/8" fully extended is a size one clipper. So you get buzzed down to a one which is barely anything and you're already at the max standard. So at least they aren't making the women shave their heads.
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I thought this was a joke. I dont think the regulation racially biased at all. I think that the reg is now enforcing ALL Soldiers to comply. One of the major issues that Soldiers complied with were hair and nails. Now that the Army is finally putting a stop to it is now causing issues. My response Senior or not, if you dont like it or want to comply, then GET OUT. I dont know another way to put it. If you expect all Soldiers to achieve the Army Standard in PT, Weight Control, Weapons Qual, then be damn sured that Uniform Wear and Appearance will also be enforced to all races, color, gender, nationality, sexual preferance...
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I do find it funny that the only folks I have heard called this "racist", are younger Service Members.  GROW UP! I would love to rock a beard.  My wife loves when my hair gets a little longer.  However, I've chosen to be in the military, and with that comes expectations.  
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Ha, sir I was thinking the same thing. I would love to have a beard. But the army signs my paycheck. If they say no beard....no beard. 
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Chain of Command!!! What happened to the chain of command? When did it become acceptable for a Soldier to try to go straight to the POTUS with an issue like this?

 

There are aspects of the 670-1 I would prefer to be different. But because I "choose" to stay in the military, I acquiesce to the policy. If I dont like it, I can try to use the system to change it or get out of the military.

 

I hope someone in her CoC has the courage to make this on-the-spot correction.

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SSG General Services Technician And State Vehicle Inspector
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Sir, because of the namby pamby "we have to be PC and can't be responsible" mentality perpetrated and enabled by many who don't care about the country.
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No one has forced someone to be in the american army since before I was born (admittedly not a long time ago compared to most) and it is important to remember that we as soldiers should not act entitled to anything, whether it is a free beer at the bar, a regulation that is comfortable for us or even the appreciation of our citizenry. we all volunteered. Thanks for the reminder sir. 
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SFC Warrior In Transition
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Sir,

 

Right in the reg it says to submit suggested changes via a DA Form 2028:

Users are


invited to send comments and suggested


improvements on DA Form 2028 (Recomm


e n d e d C h a n g e s t o P u b l i c a t i o n s a n d


Blank Forms) to Deputy Chief of Staff,


G–1 (DAPE–ZA), 300 Pentagon, Washington,


DC 20301–0300.

 

 

 In the leaders update PPT it says it again and that it be routed through ones chain of command. Simple. If you have a problem with a regulation, submit a 2028. BUT, until such time that the Army decides to change or not change a regulation, it is still a regulation that you WILL follow, not might, not should, not shall.

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The comment is not racially biased, the army is trying to promote a more professional image. Frankly wearing a flower pot of hair extensions on your head is not professional; AR 670-1 is simply narrowing down and ensuring that there is a concrete standard from which to hold Soldiers accountable. 
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saying that AR 670-1 is racially based is like saying that AR 600-9 is discriminating against overweight Soldiers, all they have is standards, we volunteered to serve and follow the regulations, as Soldiers we just have to adhere to the standards
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I am confused over much of the responses to the new changes. My confusion comes from the fact that when I came in back in 2002, almost every one of the changes was already in the regulation. I think the problem came in as over 10 years of war we relaxed the standard and now a lot of Soldiers are upset because of the way they were used to doing things was never corrected in the first place. This isn't just directed at a particular race or group. It is an across the board fix to re-enforce the standard. I would be willing to bet that if giving the opportunity to get out of the Army tomorrow or to adhere to the standard, 95% of the people polled would choose the latter. It has been an all volunteer Army for all of us who wear the uniform now and we have all always known we must do as the Army instructs.
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These are not changes, so much as they are clarifications.
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1SG Whitman,

Exactly. I am truly saddened to see the reactions of people who we should regard as professionals to this new release. 


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