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When I was growing up I participated in Boy Scouts of America and it heavily influenced my values. I was a member from 4 years old until 18, and I can still list the values contained in the Boy Scout Law.
A scout is Trustworthy, Loyal, Helpful, Friendly, Courteous, Kind, Obedient, Cheerful, Thrifty, Brave, Clean, and Reverent.
The scout's values and the Army Values overlap in many ways. What other values have you brought to the Army with you? What values do you believe should be added to the Army Values?
A scout is Trustworthy, Loyal, Helpful, Friendly, Courteous, Kind, Obedient, Cheerful, Thrifty, Brave, Clean, and Reverent.
The scout's values and the Army Values overlap in many ways. What other values have you brought to the Army with you? What values do you believe should be added to the Army Values?
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Sir, How about some good ol' Roman personal virtues:
Auctoritas
"Spiritual Authority" The sense of one's social standing, built up through experience, Pietas, and Industria.
Comitas
"Humour" Ease of manner, courtesy, openness, and friendliness.
Clementia
"Mercy" Mildness and gentleness.
Dignitas
"Dignity" A sense of self-worth, personal pride.
Firmitas
"Tenacity" Strength of mind, the ability to stick to one's purpose.
Frugalitas
"Frugalness" Economy and simplicity of style, without being miserly.
Gravitas
"Gravity" A sense of the importance of the matter at hand, responsibility and earnestness.
Honestas
"Respectibility" The image that one presents as a respectable member of society.
Humanitas
"Humanity" Refinement, civilization, learning, and being cultured.
Industria
"Industriousness" Hard work.
Pietas
"Dutifulness" More than religious piety; a respect for the natural order socially, politically, and religiously. Includes the ideas of patriotism and devotion to others.
Prudentia
"Prudence" Foresight, wisdom, and personal discretion.
Salubritas
"Wholesomeness" Health and cleanliness.
Severitas
"Sternness" Gravity, self-control.
Veritas
"Truthfulness" Honesty in dealing with others.
REF: http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Roman_Virtues
Auctoritas
"Spiritual Authority" The sense of one's social standing, built up through experience, Pietas, and Industria.
Comitas
"Humour" Ease of manner, courtesy, openness, and friendliness.
Clementia
"Mercy" Mildness and gentleness.
Dignitas
"Dignity" A sense of self-worth, personal pride.
Firmitas
"Tenacity" Strength of mind, the ability to stick to one's purpose.
Frugalitas
"Frugalness" Economy and simplicity of style, without being miserly.
Gravitas
"Gravity" A sense of the importance of the matter at hand, responsibility and earnestness.
Honestas
"Respectibility" The image that one presents as a respectable member of society.
Humanitas
"Humanity" Refinement, civilization, learning, and being cultured.
Industria
"Industriousness" Hard work.
Pietas
"Dutifulness" More than religious piety; a respect for the natural order socially, politically, and religiously. Includes the ideas of patriotism and devotion to others.
Prudentia
"Prudence" Foresight, wisdom, and personal discretion.
Salubritas
"Wholesomeness" Health and cleanliness.
Severitas
"Sternness" Gravity, self-control.
Veritas
"Truthfulness" Honesty in dealing with others.
REF: http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Roman_Virtues
These are the qualities of life to which every citizen (and, ideally, everyone else) should aspire. They are the heart of the Via Romana — the Roman Way — and are thought to be those qualities which gave the Roman Republic the moral strength to conquer and civilize the world. Today, they are the rods against which we can measure our own behavior and character, and we can strive to better understand and practice them in our everyday lives.
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I don't know that I would add to it. Every organization has it's own set of values that it believes it's members should have to be successful within the organization. It doesn't mean we can't have our own values or should discount the values of others. It's just a basic list of of values that an organization wants it employees to share.
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Here's my opinion and it may not be popular. I don't think there's anything special about the Army Values, the Boy Scouts' Values, etc. To me they are just values. The organization attached to them is irrelevant. I mean really; would those same values not apply to the girl scouts? Would another organization look at our values and say "hey, I like all those, except that integrity one, that's not for us?" Of course not. Is there really a value that the Army would not benefit from?
All that to say no; 7 is not enough, but who's counting anyway?
All that to say no; 7 is not enough, but who's counting anyway?
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SSG Robert Burns
Ive felt very similar but I do think they are a few individuals who do learn some values in the Army. Loyalty for example. I've known folks who have never experienced loyalty in their entire lives. They just didn't have anyone who cared for them. I think when they join the Army and actually learn they have brothers and sisters who will fight for them, they experience loyalty for the first time. And they want to reciprocate it. But for the most part I feel the same way you do.
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SP5 Mary Lynch
What you say is true in part but if people come to the military and has not been taught good morals and so forth the military can only do so much. The military can not re-raise an adult. What I see of the military now is sicken because soldiers are given a stress card so if they get to stress the DI has to back off. When we enter into the military it is the job of DI to destroy the civilian in us and make us soldiers to do a job that the military is training us for. The DI's can not do their job when they have to watch what they say or if they stress someone out. Not very person that goes into the military are meant to be there. It takes the best of the best to make a good soldier. Part of being a good soldier starts in our homes and then the military finishes it and makes us good soldiers to do our jobs even if we are stressed out. Change is good but to much change is bad and right now the military is headed in the wrong direction.
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Live by some basic rules listed below:
1) GOLDEN RULE: "Do onto others as you would like done to you"
2) ACCOMPLISHMENTS VS INTENTIONS: "You are what you do"
3) PROMISES: "Your word is your bond"
4) HONESTY "You are judged by what you do when other are NOT looking"
5) HONESTY "Locks ONLY keep honest people honest"
1) GOLDEN RULE: "Do onto others as you would like done to you"
2) ACCOMPLISHMENTS VS INTENTIONS: "You are what you do"
3) PROMISES: "Your word is your bond"
4) HONESTY "You are judged by what you do when other are NOT looking"
5) HONESTY "Locks ONLY keep honest people honest"
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Sir,
I think the 7, as defined, cover enough to say, Be a good person. I think that has slipped enough in our culture that the Army leadership felt the need to codeify it...sadly.
Seven is a good number...not too small, not too big. I think the bible went with 10...kind of in the same range.
I think the 7, as defined, cover enough to say, Be a good person. I think that has slipped enough in our culture that the Army leadership felt the need to codeify it...sadly.
Seven is a good number...not too small, not too big. I think the bible went with 10...kind of in the same range.
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MSG John Wirts
Amen, if the military could get off Christian persecution, and back to religious FREEDOM. We could adopt the ten commandments as as the official Army Values, but like the civilians we would have to stop executive privilege. No more dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, plus jail time for an enlisted solder. Then an officer commits the same crime and is demoted and allowed to retire!
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As much as it pains me I must say do not add anymore as there are so many that still struggle with the seven we currently have. We need to take a step back and evaluate who is not living up to the seven Army values and process them out. Only once we meet all seven should we be consider anymore.
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MSG Brad Sand
Sir,
I think we all need to time to grow into the person those values represent. Additionally, how would we create as, or failing, 'grade' of these values? Your not as Loyal as me, so you need to resign your commission (just an example) because how can an officer be less loyal than an NCO or enlisted soldier? Great thought, just would be a problem in application?
I think we all need to time to grow into the person those values represent. Additionally, how would we create as, or failing, 'grade' of these values? Your not as Loyal as me, so you need to resign your commission (just an example) because how can an officer be less loyal than an NCO or enlisted soldier? Great thought, just would be a problem in application?
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We don't need anymore values. Personally I don't really pay attention to them. I expect people to be who they are. I think values start at home and how u were raised. People look at the army as just a job and not an exclusive club as I do. So it is what it is.
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MSG Brad Sand
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I think we need a lot more values, just not codified...but I think we are actually saying the same thing.
I think we need a lot more values, just not codified...but I think we are actually saying the same thing.
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How many do we really need? Duty. Honor. Country. I don't think it gets any better than that.
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I don't think we really need special words to describe "be a good person".
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