Posted on Oct 29, 2013
Are military members being Freemasons a dying breed?
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I was wondering how many people out there in the military are active Freemasons? The Freemans have a heritage of having military men in there ranks but it seems almost like we are a dying breed. Any comments or thoughts on this subject would be great. Thank you.
Posted 12 y ago
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No just not so out in the open as much. There are at least one in every unit.
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I've encountered quite a few. They're the ones receiving handouts and favoritism without qualifications.
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Wow, you made a broad generalization. So all masons are trying to recive handouts and favortism? Amazing the uneducated we have...
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I simply stated my experience. The ones I have met receive handouts and favoritism. I find it odd how you turn this into a personal attack. Typically lower intelligence is associated with attacking the person - not the idea. One more piece of evidence for the false nature of your claim is that I'm actually quite educated. I actually am about to receive my masters degree. What kind of education do you have? I find your comment to be uninformed and inaccurate.
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They're the ones receiving handouts and favoritism without qualifications.<---Your exact comment. Congrats on your almost master degree. Thanks for sending me your qualifications as if your are applying to me for a job. I am not attacing you personally, I am attacking your statement. I dont know YOU to attack You personally so sorry you felt that way. Carry on and have a great day.
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Thanks for talk my comment out of context. "I've encountered quite a few..." Hence, my experience of those who I've encountered. I listed my education in response to your statement that I'm uneducated. Your comments remain uninformed and inaccurate.
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I don't think they are a dying breed nor is there any shortage. You can see their little club emblem things on their cars all over the place both on and off post and I've yet
to meet one that isn't ashamed to announce how much being a mason helps
them "get what they need" ie out of duty, out of trouble, promotions,
so on and so forth... so no, I don't believe they are a dying breed or any shortage. <br>
to meet one that isn't ashamed to announce how much being a mason helps
them "get what they need" ie out of duty, out of trouble, promotions,
so on and so forth... so no, I don't believe they are a dying breed or any shortage. <br>
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again, 3 down votes and no comments to justify it. So there must be some truth to it. But down vote it all you want, that does'nt truly show that you dislike what I said, it simply shows that you dislike someone saying it what is really going on.
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SSG(P) Chris T.
I do not display anything showing my affiliation to the Freemasons. I do my volunteering within my community and do for others who sometimes cannot do for themselves. Sometimes there are individuals who will show favoritism to those who are in the same group yes, does that mean it is necessarily negative? Since business's offer military discounts is that showing favoritism? Not all Soldiers serve honorably yet they still receive the same benefits as those that do. Just some food for thought.
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a business, which is an outside organization to the military, that is providing benefits to SM's who are NOT involved with that organization, is not the same situation as a member of an organization giving ANOTHER member in the SAME organization assistance... its not the same.
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I can tend to agree with your statement but, I still see steady "enrollment" if you will. For Example, at Fort Hood.
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I don't think is dying! I believe that we are everywhere and a lot of people want to become Mason. In my Unit they all ask me every day!! Steilacoom Lodge #2, WA!!!
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That is my lodge. I am down in Fort Campbell now. Tell them all I said hello. Give Matt a hard time regarding the Seahawks for me.
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Here is my take on it if anyone cares. Every generation of my Family has been in the Military the men were Masons and the woman Eastern Star members. My grand father was an active member till his death and so was my Grand mother. I was given his book by her and she sent me to his lodge in NJ where he was the Grand Master to become a member and they turned me down. His Ring and Chair sit in the memorial hall and I could not become a member of his lodge because I lived in NC. I under stood that and went to a lodge in NC and was turned down because I was white. At the time I was pissed and didn't know that lodges where split into races. So it turned me off from trying any more.
Now that I'm at the end of my Army service and back north I am trying again up here. My point in this rant is it use to be a tradition handed Down from your Father from his father and so forth and the reason there are less and less in the military is it is no longer a passed down tradition. It is really hard to get your foot in the door and prove your lineage and your worth. So that my rant and back story on this.
P.S.
Still trying to get into a lodge!!!
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I visited a lodge when I was in the Philippines and some of the guys there told me that it takes years and years, and most never get voted in on the first try just to see if they're really interested. I haven't come across a U.S. lodge that works that way but then again, there are thousands of lodges out there. Interesting story on the family tradition. Good luck and don't give up.
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1SG Cottrell,
I apologize on behalf of my Craft for the way you were treated in North Carolina. That should not have happened, but in the deep South there are still racial prejudices that survive today.
The way American Freemasonry works, the New Jersey lodge was right to turn you down because you live in North Carolina. Each state has its own Grand Lodge (for Mainstream Freemasonry) and cannot poach candidates from other jurisdictions.
If you were to move into NJ and live or work there, then you should return to that Lodge, because they would then welcome you with open arms.
If you are still interested, please contact me privately and I'll locate a Lodge close to your home for you to contact.
The way American Freemasonry works, the New Jersey lodge was right to turn you down because you live in North Carolina. Each state has its own Grand Lodge (for Mainstream Freemasonry) and cannot poach candidates from other jurisdictions.
If you were to move into NJ and live or work there, then you should return to that Lodge, because they would then welcome you with open arms.
If you are still interested, please contact me privately and I'll locate a Lodge close to your home for you to contact.
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I served 20 years in the US Armed Forces. I have also never been approached by a Freemason in any way or form. From what I can see, the Freemasons are dying off because they are limiting who they will invite to be members.
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They're not supposed to invite. The point behind asking instead of being invited is to make sure you're trying to enter the fraternity of your own free will. If you're invited there's a possibility you're entering for the wrong reasons. If you WANT to be approached do a google search for "grand lodge" and the state you reside in. There'll be a membership/petition link somewhere on the homepage or a local lodge finder. If not interested, that's cool too. Free will and a sharing of opinions as equals no matter one's income, education, or status outside the lodge is the point. I believe there are fewer freemasons in the military because not enough men ask and instead expect to be asked, usually because they simply don't know they're not supposed to be invited.
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I have friends that are Freemasons, some I knew of some I didn't know until the Topic was brought up, Some I've seen, I won't say "Abuse"... but ADVERTISE that they're Freemasons, Especially when Mentioning it to Higher Command when they're about to go before Promotional Boards.. If you're a Freemason, good for you, but please don't advertise it for your own personal gains...
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I would like to join, and have filed an application with the local lodge. However, I cannot afford the dues at this time. When I can, I will. As was stated in an earlier response, I've seen many senior NCOs and officers who are Masons. In fact I was encouraged to join by one, after inquiring and stating my interest. I hope to become a Mason, sometime in 2014.
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Don't give up. There are intangible rewards that will make it worth the money. You'll understand once you're accepted into the fraternity. When they have social events that include non-Masons, don't hesitate to join in the fun.
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I've been in a few units and know of a few people that are masons. But it's kinda hard to find out who is when they don't talk about it.
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