Posted on Jan 27, 2015
Are military movies hard to watch because they are poorly executed?
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I feel like every-time I set down and watch a Military Movie I end up Laughing at how unreal it is and how bad of a job they did or so mad I want to throw my TV out the Window..lol Anyone else like this?
here is a list of movies that I feel got it all wrong with Military Parts (small list- but its bigger just did not feel like typing all 100,000 of them..lol)
Hurt-locker
Godzilla
Battleship
here is a list of movies that I feel got it all wrong with Military Parts (small list- but its bigger just did not feel like typing all 100,000 of them..lol)
Hurt-locker
Godzilla
Battleship
Edited 11 y ago
Posted 11 y ago
Responses: 135
I have always love war movies. Growing up my dad and I would sit and watch them together. My dad was a former Marine and he would always point out what is wrong and why they changed ranks and awards. So once I joined the military I pretty much knew what to expect. Watching war movies now have a different perspective for me. My adrenaline raises and I feel like I am there. I run through scenarios as I see them on the screen and I have yelled at the TV at soldiers for doing stupid things. But then I realize its just a movie.
Ones like the latest, American Sniper, was great to watch because it was based on a real person and it made me feel proud to be an American Veteran. But I do look at military movies differently then before I became a soldier
Ones like the latest, American Sniper, was great to watch because it was based on a real person and it made me feel proud to be an American Veteran. But I do look at military movies differently then before I became a soldier
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I remember growing up in the 70s/early 80s when all the "action movies" loved to spin about the disgruntled Vietnam vet, seeking revenge and righting wrongs, but then the newscasts loved to spin any criminal activity involving a Vietnam vet as well. I have seen a growing trend of the same kind of thing of late with OIF/OEF vets. Gotta admit thought that the biggest tick off is when they do shitty stuff to the uniforms!! That's probably where those Stolen Valor ass-hats get the ideas I have seen posted on FB!
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CPO Mark Robinson
I remember those post Vietnam anti-military movies. They really were bad. There was one titled "Heroes" staring Henry Winkler and Sally Field that involved PTSD was actually pretty good.
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Honestly, before I watch any military movie I ask my battles if they thought it was any good. Not all movies get it wrong. Some good examples are Act of Valor, Lone Survivor and American Sniper.
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I don't get too spun over inaccuracies as long as they are not too ridiculous. I get annoyed in some flicks where they make military personnel out like a bunch of hard nose robotic DB's with some sort of psychosis. Or they always have the gruf general who is just ranting and raving like a mad man.
I tech advised for a film. Having done that provided some insights for why certain things are done a certain way. Technical inaccuracies can be the result of two things. One is that the tech adviser may have to leave in inaccuracies by design because you cant speak to them because of the confines of opsec. Two the director will generally take a dramatic licence to certain areas to spice up the movie. You have to realize that the movie has one purpose. That is to be compelling to a mass audience and sell tickets, to recoup the investment made in developing a film. It is a delicate balance to make a story real but also compelling.
The problem is and this opened my eyes a bit, is that we have the curse of knowledge on what we did in our profession. The goal is to try to sum and give the audience the big picture of what it is like to be in the role that the character is trying to portray. In some cases this results in some items being left out and some embellishments left in place. The film only has an hour and a half to two hours to tell that story. In that time you have to develop the characters so the audience can empathize with them. At the same time you have have keep the film fluid with events and circumstances that keep the audience interest up and keep the story moving.
I guess what I look at is the picture of the story. Is it plausible and is accurate enough on the large scale to overshadow myopic insurances? If so then I feel the director did his/her job. If not then it will be bomb at the box offices and will probably have other issues with the direction that will not be so compelling to the non military audience.
Not saying that there are not some real gold wrapped turds out there. But I think for the most part from what I have seen is that 80% of the mil flicks I have seen do the job well for the most part.
I tech advised for a film. Having done that provided some insights for why certain things are done a certain way. Technical inaccuracies can be the result of two things. One is that the tech adviser may have to leave in inaccuracies by design because you cant speak to them because of the confines of opsec. Two the director will generally take a dramatic licence to certain areas to spice up the movie. You have to realize that the movie has one purpose. That is to be compelling to a mass audience and sell tickets, to recoup the investment made in developing a film. It is a delicate balance to make a story real but also compelling.
The problem is and this opened my eyes a bit, is that we have the curse of knowledge on what we did in our profession. The goal is to try to sum and give the audience the big picture of what it is like to be in the role that the character is trying to portray. In some cases this results in some items being left out and some embellishments left in place. The film only has an hour and a half to two hours to tell that story. In that time you have to develop the characters so the audience can empathize with them. At the same time you have have keep the film fluid with events and circumstances that keep the audience interest up and keep the story moving.
I guess what I look at is the picture of the story. Is it plausible and is accurate enough on the large scale to overshadow myopic insurances? If so then I feel the director did his/her job. If not then it will be bomb at the box offices and will probably have other issues with the direction that will not be so compelling to the non military audience.
Not saying that there are not some real gold wrapped turds out there. But I think for the most part from what I have seen is that 80% of the mil flicks I have seen do the job well for the most part.
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Unless it's a "documentary", the lack of accuracy is no big deal. Movies are entertainment, not religious instruction.
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For years the Hollywood crowd wasted millions making movies no one would go to see. They would re-tell the same story over and over again. The uniforms and times they took place would change, but in the end the story was always the same over worked story line.. Soldiers who disobey incompetent officers, sadistic sergeants, a main character who deserts because war crimes he participated in or witnessed and did nothing about. The main character may go home and kill himself. If they wanted to add a twist they would have him kills his whole family--- and then kill himself. That about sums up the story line of the average Hollywood masterpiece on war. Around 2002 Mel Gibson made "We Were Soldiers" After than even the liberal Hollywood types realized they couldn't afford to keep re-living their rebellious youth of the 60's. If they actually had a rebellious youth at all.
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Although I agree, you all have to remember in order to portray a soldier of any rank as an actor, by law, something had to be wrong with the uniform. Either the awards, the rank, the patches, something. If it was all correct they would have to have been prior military.
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SSG Russell D.
I don't believe that is true, that is why it is called acting. Look back into history. The Revolution, Civil War, Spanish American War, WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Gulf, OEF,OIF, and others in Africa... There is no law saying it cannot be as true to form and as realistic as possible. Even when we are not at war. Movies about all wars and at peacetime the only reason when I see something wrong in the films is because the Producers/Directors are ignorant and have never served in the military, they don't know how to portray it accurately. Lone Survivor was spot on.
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SPC James Rafferty
SSG Russell Dam, I did a little more research and you are correct. However there was a dispute and a court case about whether or not it was considered falsifying Valor or not. However, I was wrong the court found out to not be falsifying Valor as long as it was just for a movie or television show. Thank you for questioning my response.
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I prefer not to watch fairly-realistic war movies but loved Battleship or Godzilla.
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SGT Aaron Olivas
I appreciate you honesty in your answer, Tho I may not like these movies does not mean someone else can't.
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I can't stand watching movies where soldiers are out of uniform or the brass is on incorrectly. If the movies are going to show the military, it should be done respectively and in good taste IAW AR-670-1.
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SGT Aaron Olivas
To the Standard I say... If they want to do it right take the time and educate themselves.
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CW3 Eddy Vleugels
It's not hard for me to watch military movies, because I know that despite the fact that movie producers seek SME support from military advisers, they are still producing a movie for the general public and therefore not every detail is always correct. It doesn't bother me at all...it's Hollywood. Now if we are talking about a documentary of some military subject, that would be a different story all together.
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MSG John Wirts
I was in for many years, some of the things I saw included WWII German Armies using M-38 jeeps, M-60 battle tanks, in Iron Eagle II Russians flying American F-4C's. Much of this is because Hollywood doesn't like the military. It has become fashionable to knock the military, the government and the entertainment industry go out of their way to malign and disrespect the military. The thank you for your service is fine, but even the VA has no time or money for us.
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