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There are a lot of non Quatermasters soldiers running the Arms Room of their Unit, How do you run yours? Any advices?
Or, are you an Inspector? How do you run your inspections? What you don't tolerate in an inspection? Anything that should be avoided at all costs?
Or, are you an Inspector? How do you run your inspections? What you don't tolerate in an inspection? Anything that should be avoided at all costs?
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Small Arms Inspections
Posted 9 y ago
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SGT(P) (Join to see)
The best advice I can give you is to become thoroughly familiar with AR 190-11 and follow it without deviation. Make yourself a checklist of all the "you will", "you shall" and "you must" found therein. Conduct the required serial number inventories and don't just "pencil-whip" them. Insist everyone, regardless of rank or position, adhere to the regulation. Do not deviate...
Ask your chain of command to ask the local Provost Marshal Office to conduct a courtesy inspection (no harm, no foul) to give you a baseline on where you stand, as far as adherence to security requirements is concerned. That will also show to the Physical Security Inspectors that you care and are interested, which will help later, when you get a real inspection.
There is a lot more that goes into running an arms room than adherence to security requirements, but there is nothing that will get you into trouble more quickly than not following 190-11 to the letter.
The best advice I can give you is to become thoroughly familiar with AR 190-11 and follow it without deviation. Make yourself a checklist of all the "you will", "you shall" and "you must" found therein. Conduct the required serial number inventories and don't just "pencil-whip" them. Insist everyone, regardless of rank or position, adhere to the regulation. Do not deviate...
Ask your chain of command to ask the local Provost Marshal Office to conduct a courtesy inspection (no harm, no foul) to give you a baseline on where you stand, as far as adherence to security requirements is concerned. That will also show to the Physical Security Inspectors that you care and are interested, which will help later, when you get a real inspection.
There is a lot more that goes into running an arms room than adherence to security requirements, but there is nothing that will get you into trouble more quickly than not following 190-11 to the letter.
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COL Jean (John) F. B.
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I am not very current on the new requirements, however, if it has not changed from when I was current on this stuff, you must maintain 2407s for 90 days following the repairs being made/items returned to the arms room.
Someone may know more... It should be in the DA Pam
I am not very current on the new requirements, however, if it has not changed from when I was current on this stuff, you must maintain 2407s for 90 days following the repairs being made/items returned to the arms room.
Someone may know more... It should be in the DA Pam
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COL Jean (John) F. B. you are correct Sir, but it was a tricky question the inspector asked because you have to keep the 2407 for a year when is the Annual Gauging one and he didn't specified. Also, after the repairs have being made, if you transfer the data to your DD314 you don't have to keep the 2407. It was a great inspection where I learn a lot and got to know all the work that I have to update.
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CPL Dave Foster
Excellent advice. I was trained 11B. Got to my first PDS (Ft. Ord, CDEC, '72) and was asked if I could type. I said: "Yes Sir, 10 words a minute and I don't make mistakes." Took me 3 months of pulling guard duty in the Supply Room, where the Arms Room was located and studying AR 190-11. We passed the IG with flying colors. The Armorer's Bible, AR 190-11 will always have the right answer.
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Have a limited number of individuals that will ever enter your armsroom but first assume ownership. Any one who enters the arms room to help should be trusted and understand the system for which you use to organize. There are to ways to streamline the organization of the arms room. The first is for ease of issue; group weapons by platoon/section/squad. The second is for ease of inspection and inventory; organize by wpn serial number, draws will need to be by serial number order. Get a dehumidifier, reduces rust. Have a armsroom cleaning kit for armsroom only and an big box of cleaning supplies for shooters. Have book of documentation and post copies of inspectable documentation to the wall in document protectors. Limit acess!
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MAJ (Join to see)
When I was in Basic, we where given the command "in the order of weapons squence report to the armsroom in single file, in weapon sequence count... off" every one would sound off with butt stock numbers in order in formation when you number was called you got in line when you got to the door of the arms room you sounded of both butt stock and serial numbers. Armor verified serial number and weapon was clear. It was beautiful.
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Next range is in March Sir, I'll take your advice. Weapons already have labels for their rack but the single file in weapons sequence is something I'll adopt for my arms room. MAJ (Join to see)
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SGT(P) (Join to see) even if one or two are turned in late or early things go faster.
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I always found less time was wasted on returning the appropriate weapon to the rack than ensuring the right weapons card or receipt was returned to the person in question. Ordering weapons in serial number order in the rack did great. I adopted this for all sights and lasers as well (and night vision) after a baseline reset. Labeling the rack slots themselves definitely helps. I organized soldier files for long term issued items (magazines) I had premade hand receipts to account for the components not blanketly accounted for under the general end item.
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I posted this earlier, but do this to every weapon (not really...you will get into trouble if you do...)
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Here's a couple of links that might be of service.
http://chemicaldragon.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/docs/ARMS_SOP11.292101201.doc
http://www.armystudyguide.com/content/useful_files/SOPs_Policy_Letters/arms-room-sop-2.shtml
http://chemicaldragon.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/docs/ARMS_SOP11.292101201.doc
http://www.armystudyguide.com/content/useful_files/SOPs_Policy_Letters/arms-room-sop-2.shtml
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Thanks SPC David S. I'll compare it with mine and see what I can improve in our SOP.
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SPC David S.
The study guide has links to all the regs. Don't let top check out an M16/M203 to go deer hunting, follow the regs but also CYA. As the link below shows how stuff can happen.
http://www.wlox.com/story/16650188/two-charged-in-connection-to-gulfport-explosions-appear-in-court
http://www.wlox.com/story/16650188/two-charged-in-connection-to-gulfport-explosions-appear-in-court
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I advised my CDR to send two non supply Joe's to armour school and then I had them run the arms room and I recommended again to my CDR to give them the additional duty to maintain the MAL and weapon cards. Made it where I just supervised them and it freed me to complete other tasks for the company. Since I don't have supply clerks, I'm usually doing it all, i.e. dispatching vehicle, monthly inventories and signing out team gear. (Before my CDR and I discussed how we wanted to distribute the Co's end items per MTOE)
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Please see the attached form. When I'm inspecting cleanliness counts if it looks orderly and neat that usually means its being managed properly.
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I loathe paperwork. Seriously, It is the bane of my existance. That being said, I like to take a common sense approach. I put everything in black and white, posted at eye level of what my criteria are (clean!!!!, batteries out, etc). I used to bend over backwards to accomodate everyone, I was the only one who lost there. Now, I cite TM's and AR's which are inarguable.
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Always ensure the accuracy of your sight counts every day. Don't take shortcuts on that.
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That's something that I always have in mind, since is a small arms room sometimes I forget to count when I go in and I always try to remind it.
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That's nice. Our armory takes a full hour for two people to complete a sight count. It's a bit much if you ask me.
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They appointed me as the Custodian too, I have that responsability. Is it interest conflict there? MSG (Join to see)
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I don't have neither a NCO or Officer assigned, I don't have that memo in my binder. There is just my Additional Duties assignment. MSG (Join to see)
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