Posted on Jan 10, 2014
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As a Commander/1SG, why would you circle yes for a Soldier to be integrated onto the CLI?  If you believe the Soldier is ready to be promoted to SGT/SSG why not just send them to the promotion board? 
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CPL Jonathan Roberts
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When I got to my unit as anE4 spc . I was asked to become the training NCO , and the unit armour. I was sitting around 550-580 points , without the promotion board.and I was on this interg promotion list. Which last I heard was a list for the commander that listed his troops in the unit for the potential of promotion, E4 to E5 and E5 to E6.. that has at least 350 points or more.and should be on the next board appearance
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SGT Unit Supply Specialist
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SGM, COuld I get your list of 11 points you expect of your NCOs. Thanks
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SPC Infantryman
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I'm a specialist, prior service Marine (6 years; 4 active, 2 reserves, left as a cpl); I transferred over 3 years ago and I'm a year out from rcp, I've been to 11 Soldier of the Month boards and after two years of dealing with toxic leaders and optempo I've finally managed to get into BLC (I'm actually typing this up in the classroom). I've tried to get my leadership to send me to a promotion board, each time they insist on sotm boards. Then, they mentioned that I'm on the ICL and quit sending me based on that. So after I finish BLC, what happens?

I'm starting to grow annoyed; I love the military, the army's been quite good to my family and I, but I've been stressing over this...and it's starting to effect my performance.
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SPC Visual Information Equipment Operator/Maintainer
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I have a question regarding this list. I was told I was put on the Integration list and now I see that I have a P with 39 points on my ERB. Does this mean I have "Promotable status" and do I stop receiving non-promo counselings?
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SFC Senior Supply Sergeant
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Commander's Integration List (CIL) is a very bad idea; even the promotion board in general. Soldiers have been getting promoted with just the very minimum requirement because the Commander and/or 1SG is not monitoring the listing while AGR and Active service member are not being promoted due to low PT scores and not being able to recite the NCO creed- I'm upset about it. I have five yeas experience as a police officer, combat experience, active service experience and now AGR with over 400 points on promotion checklist but you tell me I'm not ready to be promoted because of a freaking NCO Creed and/or low PT score. Most that knows it don't follow it and those that don't know it work their freaking butt off without getting recognize with promotion only saying how good of a Soldier you are etc etc. PISSED
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MSG Cavalry Scout
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From the NCO's I've seen come out of CLI, I don't think it's a good idea. All of the Staff Sergeants and Sergeants I've seen come out of CLI have no leadership skills what so ever and have no intentions of getting right in order to set the example. A NCO in my unit now that got promoted through CLI at his last unit is currently facing the reduction board and another one will not for anything buy ASUs or complete SSD-1 as he has not been to WLC yet but been a SGT since 2012. In my opinion, I don't really think it's earned as they did not have to appear at a board like the rest of the qualified NCOs that earned their rank. However this is just my two sense! 
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If he has been an E5 since 2012. He was not promoted to E5 on the CLI list. Also SSD1 was not a requirement for promotion until 1 Jan 2014. During the time he was promoted the policy was promote then train. CLI is a solution to a systemic failure from leadership to promote or retain enough NCO's. Poor soldiers being promoted on the CLI list is because leadership from the squad leader up are failing to adequately do there job this is a systemic issue that is why the CLI is in place.
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Out of the responses so far, there seems to be one element that is missing. These types of promotions can be prevented if the leadership deems Soldier to not be ready or fit for promotion. Having a proper counseling packet ensures that you as a leader have the ammunition to back up your belief, and present your case to the chain of command. All that is required after you brief the chain, is the commander has to disallow the promotion. This is one reason that it is vital to stay on top of the eligibility lists that come out each month, as the command only has a limited amount of time to act in order to prevent someone from being promoted who is on the automatic promotion list.
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1SG First Sergeant
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Flags aren't the only course of action in these cases either. All it takes is knowing the Soldier, and as you said, keeping up with the counseling packets. If you have shown that the Soldier does not have the traits neccessary to be promoted, then it should not be a problem to convice the command to block an automatic promotion. The same goes for another trend that I have seen growing in recent years, where a Soldier is sent to the promotion board simply because they are in their window, regardless of if their leadership believes them to be ready or not. 

I have said this on numerous posts in numerous threads here, but it all boils down to leadership involvement. If you are invested in the mentorship and grooming of the Soldiers that work for you, then you will know if they are ready, and if they aren't, what they need to work on in order to be ready.
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You got me with an edit, so I will just add an addendum. As a leader you have to know what options there are for you to ensure the growth and development of the Soldiers that work for you. If they are ready and deserving, so be it, but if the aren't, you have to know that you have options.
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SFC Founder
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1SG I agree with your reasoning on CLI. To me CLI doesn't serve much purpose besides motivating deserving future NCOs.
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